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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that is beyond stupid
    no other way to put it
    that someone who wants to improve our social condition must therefor be a socialist is absurd, by any measure

    this is the fellow who heads an organization which seeks to improve the working conditions of union employees

    having the community/state as the business owner, as would be the circumstance within a socialist society, would not do anything but make his position more difficult

    you must not understand either socialism or unionism ... more likely, you don't grasp an understanding of both
    He wants to generate massive social change...much like the one term Marxist president Obama. When a leftist says those things what do you think he means?
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    He wants to generate massive social change...much like the one term Marxist president Obama.
    Are these the only words you know?
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This is very much a typical comment of yours. "Blah. Blah blah blaha. bla blah bla bla bla bla blah. I think it describes perfectly the fear that so many on the right seem to be expressing by going overboard to mock, ridicule and attack these demonstrations. I suspect the right sees - for the first time in a long time - a public anger at the wealthy and that worries the right and scares them."
    Two choices...you ARE that stupid to believe this is about left vs right, or you are such an enmeshed partisan hack that it is all you know how to and what to say. The right. Huh...what political lean are 7 of the top 10 wealthiest congressmen? Do you think Obama has a history of being in bed with the banks and Wall Street? Do you think ALL politicians have a history of being in bed with banks and corporations? Oh no...its...'the right'. How about the media...throw out Fox News...who owns NBC? And who has GE been most cozy with? Of course...no dems are involved in the banking bailouts or the Sally and Freddie crisis. The richest of the rich...the Oprahs, the Buffets, Gates, the parade of liberal elites...they are all 'The Right' huh?

    What concerns me? Some people are stupid enough to just follow along and nod their head. Greater concern? Some are stupid enough to actually believe this is a left vs right issue. I know their are plenty of partisan whores that are going to try very hard to continue to make this a left vs right issue.

    The wealthy...the left and right...the markets and the banks...what would happen if they just shut down for a month? What would happen if the wealthy just pulled ALL of their investment capital? What would happen to the average middle income Americans retirement accounts? What would happen to the job markets? What would happen to student loans, home loans, small business loans?

    The people being protested against...if they were smart? They would very publicly give these assclowns everything they want. Pull ALL their money out of the markets...stick them in secure overseas markets. They should very much point out why...hey...just giving the unwashed masses what they want. Careful what you wish for.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you missed - no surprise - the reason for Buffett's support
    this very rich man is advocating a fair tax system which places more of the tax burden on that few who gain the most from the richness of the USA ... even tho such a measure would be to Buffett's personal financial detriment.
    actually, no, it wouldn't.

    many of us appreciate that he is not a self serving rich bastard
    then you should look askance at his insistence that the government bail out banks that he is invested in (the name "Goldman Sachs" sound familiar? I believe there is currently some kind of protest going on loosely connected to the issue), hiding his money in trusts to avoid taxation, and selling of financial insurance products whose worth goes up if tax rates do.

    Buffet isn't an idiot - he has made sure that he won't lose out if tax rates go up - the man actually makes a profit if they do.




    yeesh. it's T Boone Pickens all over again

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If that is the latest right wing meme, it reveals they are terrified of this entire movement - only really in its beginning stages.
    yup. if there is one thing that will definitely pluck at the heart strings and speak deeply to the American people, it's invading the Smithsonian Museum and pooping on cop cars.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post

    The wealthy...the left and right...the markets and the banks...what would happen if they just shut down for a month? What woulod happen if the wealthy just pulled ALL of their investment capital? What would happen to the average middle income Americans retirement accounts? What would happen to the job markets? What would happen to student loans, home loans, small business loans?

    The people being protested against...if they were smart? They would very publicly give these assclowns everything they want. Pull ALL thier money out of the markets...stick them in secure overseas markets. They should very much point out why...hey...just giving the unwashed masses what they want. Careful what you wish for.
    Is this what the protesters have been asking for? Source for this claim?
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you kinda posted a little... weird, but i'll try to address what seemed to be your key points.

    Gallup: Seniors Most Favorable to Ryan Budget

    I have siblings on Medicaid. roughly a quarter of the uninsured qualify for Medicaid - including 69% of uninsured children. Another 43% have incomes above 250% of the poverty line - 55K for a family of 4. the CBO reports that roughly 60% of them are under the age of 35, and 86% report that they are in good or excellent health; many can probably be assumed to be uninsured by choice.

    with the large job losses of the current recession, obviously, many have lost their insurance because they have lost their employment. which is argument #1,487 for making health insurance a portable individual market rather than employer-provided.

    I currently live abroad as well (Japan), courtesy of the USMC. My experiences thus far with government healthcare have been atrocious. Waiting times are indeed much higher in UHC nations, and care is indeed much less available. for example, in Canada, the total median waiting time for patients between referral from a general practitioner and treatment, averaged across all 12 specialties and 10 provinces surveyed, increased to 18.3 weeks from 17.8 weeks observed in 2006, and the median waiting time period for an MRI was 10.1 weeks. In Britain, you can wait around 10 months to start getting treated after you are diagnosed with cancer. It seems this helps especially to keep healthcare costs down with respect to lung and prostrate cancer patients, as a higher percentage of them die in the meantime, thereby saving the state the expense. Incidentally, they don't have a death panel. Instead, they have the Orwellian-named N.I.C.E., which serves the same function:



    generally speaking, if you get cancer, you want to get as far away from a UHC system as possible.
    Can you say "Kill the goose"? Certain people aren't going to be happy unless the expand misery as far and wide as possible. To them there are just some people too lucky and way to happy.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Can you say "Kill the goose"? Certain people aren't going to be happy unless the expand misery as far and wide as possible. To them there are just some people too lucky and way to happy.
    I've thought about that too... is this the 1% of 1% of the socialist / Marxists wannabes joined by Unions to simply make everyone as miserable and idiotic as they are or is this a real movement with a point? So far, the jury is out on that one.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    If people were to become socialist simply to make people miserable, then fundamentally they would have to accept a point of view that is not socialist since they would be trying to spread misery by using socialism (which they would have to view as negative). This is just plain absurd to think people would want to do this.

    More likely, they believe that their way is the way to the greater good.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Ah yes. It is the rightwing libertarian desire to weaken and even destroy labor unions and the destruction of General Motors would have further that extremist goal. Save the banks - save Wall Street - save corporate America even if it means holding your nose as you claimed you did - but smile from ear to ear and scream loudly for the destruction of the American labor movement.
    nope. screw everyone equally - if you fail, it's no ones' fault or responsibility but your own.

    No Bailouts. For corporate or union bigwigs alike.




    as for "the system" breaking in the 80s - no "system" broke. The American People got stupid. we went from a 10% savings rate to a negative savings rate in that time period - because we got stupid (and shortsighted). as for the "no gains for those below" - again, that's on you. I work hard, educate myself on the side, and come from little enough - and I will likely retire a multimillionaire; and be making above the median wage before I'm 35.

    the boomers spent their high-earning years taking out loans on their McMansions that they bought with adjustable rate mortgages in order to buy the latest plasma or take an extra vacation, and now they want to blame their problems on "the system".

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