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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you missed - no surprise - the reason for Buffett's support
    this very rich man is advocating a fair tax system which places more of the tax burden on that few who gain the most from the richness of the USA ... even tho such a measure would be to Buffett's personal financial detriment. many of us appreciate that he is not a self serving rich bastard ... plenty of those in the republican party, as well as the demo party. which is why this occupation is about social issues of disparity rather than a partisan one

    and Buffett himself has stated that we are in the midst of a class war and the rich are winning. he would have an excellent vantage to make such a valid observation. again, one which is other than self serving to him
    The class war that is going, advanced by the Libbos, is for the super rich.

    If it becomes harder to get rich--as Libbos propose--then Buffet's billions are safe from the competition.

    Sadly, the Libbos are doing more to help the super rich stay super rich and further insure that the middle class folks will never get ahead.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its easy for an 81 year old nearly dead man that has accumulated tremendous wealth through all those means you and the protesters despise to now become philanthropical (yet...he is still earning those megabucks and still dumping money into political campaigns). But he doesnt have to wait for the government to pass new laws...he can just GIVE it to them RIGHT NOW. Not wait til he is dead...NOW...he should keep a modest sum and just turn the rest over to the government. Him and all the liberal multi multi millionaires. 7 of the top 10 richest politicians...democrats (OK...so John Kerry earned his by sleeping with the Yeti Heiress...still). All the Hollywood elite. all the rich libewrals...the 1% ers out there...if they BELIEVE what they say and what you think they believe then why havent they already done all of this?
    because it would not accomplish much
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    because it would not accomplish much
    Really? Buffets billions, all the other wealthy people and their billions...they just hang onto it because 'it wouldnt accomplish much'? Why...that must mean there are greater considerations here than just taking more from the wealthy. There would have to be all kinds of changes, including government spending, incentiving industry to bring back jobs, industry/labor cooperation to make those jobs profitable for all. Investment and personal responsibility. Huh...go figure...you are 100% correct...just stealing money away from the wealthy WONT make a difference. You should tell that to the 99%ers.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Really? Buffets billions, all the other wealthy people and their billions...they just hang onto it because 'it wouldnt accomplish much'?
    which way are you going to argue
    before you expected Buffett to turn over his wealth voluntarily rather than expect all of the 1% to pony up more in taxes
    now you want to argue my position. that all of the 1% should expect to pay more
    and if they did, it would accomplish a lot. Buffett, by himself ... not so much

    which causes me to question if you even know what you are arguing about

    Why...that must mean there are greater considerations here than just taking more from the wealthy. There would have to be all kinds of changes, including government spending, ...
    i missed it. would you please copy and paste the post in this thread where the forum member argued against appropriate spending cuts
    it appears that you again have forgotten what point you are trying to make ... or possibly your point needs to be posted in a more appropriate thread relative to whether government spending cuts should be undertaken

    ...incentiving industry to bring back jobs, ...
    then tell us what should be done to incentivize the return of lost jobs
    i am betting this was nothing more than empty blather ... but prove me wrong

    ... industry/labor cooperation to make those jobs profitable for all. ...
    tell us how you propose we get industry and labor to cooperate
    further, tell us how one makes a job more profitable. that slip gives you away. you clearly want labor to give up even more concessions such that business becomes even more profitable than at present - at labor's expense

    Investment and personal responsibility. Huh...go figure...you are 100% correct...just stealing money away from the wealthy WONT make a difference. You should tell that to the 99%ers.
    no one is proposing that anything be stolen. we will leave that for republicans and elections
    having Buffett voluntarily give up his wealth to pay down the nation's deficit won't accomplish much, but to increase taxes on that 1% who hold 33.8% of the nation's wealth would be a very effective way to balance our nation's budget. tell us why you believe it would not be an effective way to balance our budget
    ... this should be rich [weak ass pun intended]
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    which way are you going to argue
    before you expected Buffett to turn over his wealth voluntarily rather than expect all of the 1% to pony up more in taxes
    now you want to argue my position. that all of the 1% should expect to pay more
    and if they did, it would accomplish a lot. Buffett, by himself ... not so much

    which causes me to question if you even know what you are arguing about


    i missed it. would you please copy and paste the post in this thread where the forum member argued against appropriate spending cuts
    it appears that you again have forgotten what point you are trying to make ... or possibly your point needs to be posted in a more appropriate thread relative to whether government spending cuts should be undertaken


    then tell us what should be done to incentivize the return of lost jobs
    i am betting this was nothing more than empty blather ... but prove me wrong


    tell us how you propose we get industry and labor to cooperate
    further, tell us how one makes a job more profitable. that slip gives you away. you clearly want labor to give up even more concessions such that business becomes even more profitable than at present - at labor's expense


    no one is proposing that anything be stolen. we will leave that for republicans and elections
    having Buffett voluntarily give up his wealth to pay down the nation's deficit won't accomplish much, but to increase taxes on that 1% who hold 33.8% of the nation's wealth would be a very effective way to balance our nation's budget. tell us why you believe it would not be an effective way to balance our budget
    ... this should be rich [weak ass pun intended]
    Myopic partisan hacks...ALWAYS good for a laugh. Yes...it is the REPUBLICANS...democrats arent at fault. Democrats dont engage in election hijinx...where ignorance is bliss you have to be happy as a pig in slop...or just dishonest. I suspect the latter...I dont think ANYONE is that stupid.

    You ask how I propose we bring labor and industry together...surely you have seen me post it before...bring them to the table and 'encourage' them to work it out. Costs, profits, acceptable gains, proper incentives, affordable salary, not unlike what is happening with the NBA. Where industry refuses to cooperate, tariff the hell out of any good or product manufactured by an American company overseas and shipped back to the US for sale or manufacture. Where Labor refuses to cooperate and be realistic, shut them down and out of the conversations completely. It would require little government regulation but cooperation at every level. If we are to survive as a country, the industrial base MUST be rebuilt. Personally...I dont think it would be that difficult. It would require the parties...BOTH parties...to start playing hardball with industry and labor and stop taking it in the ass for their campaign contributions. In other words they would have to start being elected officials and represent the good of the people over the good of their party.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Exercising free speech. That's what's got you upset?

    So, when someone who votes for the Black president or supports him, you find that offensive... the exercising of that particular free speech.




    FAIL - you said 'gabillions'. When you get those numbers, please get back to us. Until then - F A I L.

    And you naively tried to portray shorting stocks as a bad liberal thing... that was very humorous.

    A brilliant and wealthy man supports the current President. Stop attacking him for that, you look foolish.

    Um......isn't, he, like, a prime representative of the very thing these protests are about? Money being the major deciding factor in american politics, making money at the expense of others, etc etc etc?

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually you could not be more wrong. Unions were very happy with the old America of just a couple of generations ago. We were a prosperous nation and the disparity of wealthy was not great.
    Sure. Why wouldn't they be happy? there was the Big Three and if the automakers didn't give them what they wanted they shut them down with strikes. The extra costs were just passed on to the consumers, with the lack of quality in these vehicles, as well as the lack of safety, becoming infamous.


    Then Ronald Reagan got elected. Then ALEC came along. Then libertarian right wing think tanks hijacked the conservative movement and then the Republican Party. Then the Kock Bros emerged from under their daddy's rock.
    No, then competition came along. Better made vehicles at better prices. The automakers with their unsafe gas guzzlers at inflated prices just couldn't compete and, as a result of union demands, couldn't adapt either.

    Unions know exactly what America they want to see again.
    Sure. The Teachers Unions are doing for the children of Detroit what the UAW did for automobile manufacturing. The Unions are okay with that.

    Almost Half of Detroit Residents Are Functionally Illiterate - Education - GOOD

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Myopic partisan hacks...ALWAYS good for a laugh.
    aren't they tho
    your example was hilarious
    and extra points to you for simultaneously illustrating irony and hypocrisy. you committed a trifecta

    Yes...it is the REPUBLICANS...democrats arent at fault. Democrats dont engage in election hijinx...where ignorance is bliss you have to be happy as a pig in slop...or just dishonest. I suspect the latter...I dont think ANYONE is that stupid.
    obviously, you are our resident expert on both pigs and slop, so i shall defer to you in that regard; ditto for stupidity
    honesty ... not so much

    You ask how I propose we bring labor and industry together...surely you have seen me post it before...bring them to the table and 'encourage' them to work it out. Costs, profits, acceptable gains, proper incentives, affordable salary, not unlike what is happening with the NBA. Where industry refuses to cooperate, tariff the hell out of any good or product manufactured by an American company overseas and shipped back to the US for sale or manufacture. Where Labor refuses to cooperate and be realistic, shut them down and out of the conversations completely. It would require little government regulation but cooperation at every level.
    yes, i remember your being unable to explain why labor management had to be negotiated on a macro level instead of the conventional procedure under current federal law where labor and management negotiate as provided by the labor-management agreement
    as we can see, you have added nothing to support your position. labor and management can continue to meet and negotiate as provided by their labor-management agreements. there is no compelling reason your macro "idea" should be adopted as there is no benefit to be realized from such an approach, which outcome could not result under the existing law/framework. it appears you have a offered us a solution which is in search of a problem

    If we are to survive as a country, the industrial base MUST be rebuilt.
    why is this an absolute? not saying it would not be enhancing but why do you deem this essential?

    Personally...I dont think it would be that difficult. It would require the parties...BOTH parties...to start playing hardball with industry and labor and stop taking it in the ass for their campaign contributions.
    this makes no sense (which i do recognize is not an unusual circumstance)
    both parties -labor and management - can already play hardball. they can also make campaign donations and lobby. they often do
    what it appears you propose is a centralized industrial economy, where decisions are made by the government. notice how well that worked out for the communist nations which employed your approach

    In other words they would have to start being elected officials and represent the good of the people over the good of their party.
    notice how you again seem not to understand what you are posting about
    you have now digressed to elected officials when the topic you had immediately before been discussing was labor and management seeking resolution ... (of what ... you have not identified)

    i am tired of spending my time trying to help you keep up. from here on out, you are on your own
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Labor, Managment....Rich v. Poor....99% v. 1%.....Ah, Bull!!! This is real simple people. These are the recent, and current collage throngs, the Noam Chomsky worshipers, mixed in with the Anarchist black hoodie pukes, and self entitled spoiled 20 somethings that never grew up, along with some ex Weather Underground wanna be's that never got over the fact that they can never win communism in this country.

    I knew that there was Tea Party envy among the liberal left, but to see mouth foamers like Matthews, and Maddow jump, along with Union leaders like Trumpka, who is a socialist in his own right, and try and co opt this group of misfits into any coherent message they concoct, and failing at.

    Soros funding through Tides, Van Jones, CPUSA, Socialist Agitators, and now Unions all have their big clodhopper hands all over this. So, pay attention people remember my tried and true belief, in that what ever libs accuse you of doing, that in fact is what they are doing. ie, Astro turf.

    These oddities from the island of misfit toys should be leveled with fines out the ass for permit violations, EPA sanctions, and those that step out of line with law enforcement should be arrested, tried and imprisoned to the full extent of the law...Fore it is those elements that want to stir violence in this thing, and those with the diversity of messages that do nothing about it that are to blame if violence breaks out.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Labor, Managment....Rich v. Poor....99% v. 1%.....Ah, Bull!!! This is real simple people. These are the recent, and current collage throngs, the Noam Chomsky worshipers, mixed in with the Anarchist black hoodie pukes, and self entitled spoiled 20 somethings that never grew up, along with some ex Weather Underground wanna be's that never got over the fact that they can never win communism in this country.

    I knew that there was Tea Party envy among the liberal left, but to see mouth foamers like Matthews, and Maddow jump, along with Union leaders like
    Trumpka, who is a socialist in his own right, and try and co opt this group of misfits into any coherent message they concoct, and failing at.

    Soros funding through Tides, Van Jones, CPUSA, Socialist Agitators, and now Unions all have their big clodhopper hands all over this. So, pay attention people remember my tried and true belief, in that what ever libs accuse you of doing, that in fact is what they are doing. ie, Astro turf.

    These oddities from the island of misfit toys should be leveled with fines out the ass for permit violations, EPA sanctions, and those that step out of line with law enforcement should be arrested, tried and imprisoned to the full extent of the law...Fore it is those elements that want to stir violence in this thing, and those with the diversity of messages that do nothing about it that are to blame if violence breaks out.

    j-mac
    once i got to that sentence i knew you were confused
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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