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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Actually a fair amount of it comes from observing people like you. And you premeptively prove my point just a few posts later with your littany and tirade against Reagan, Republicans, Libertarians, and 'the Koch brothers'. Now...who did you leave out...hmmm...I wonder...

    myopic mindless ideologues...God love em!!!
    That is silly. I am not involved in these demonstrations and the people you are attacking are not me. I gave you reality - you return with fantasy.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    If all commodity trading has the same economic impact on the poor and elderly in fact on any one then it should be regulated to lessen the impact on every one, it's nothing more then one of the ways that allows the rich to economically plunder from those who have no choice but to pay the price or sit in a cold house or give up eating
    By the same token, our national energy policy, or misguided energy policy, or no energy policy, has more such impact. You want to blame the "rich speculators", but the bottom line is that when one imports 40% of their energy, we are at the mercy of everyone else. Blame all Presidents for the last 30 years if you want, but Obama is the worst so far, not only impeding energy development, but instead throwing money at the absolute failure that is green energy.

    Let me ask you some thing does and i don't mean to sterotype anyone but I notice what could be a reading comprehension problem with some not all conservatives the reason I bring this up is the article I quoted said the price of oil to increase as much as 50% and then I added doesn't that suck? Lets say the article was wrong and speculation only added 20% to the price of gallon would that still suck? What is youre honest opinon?

    Please don't be offended but I think maybe some of the protestors might be upset by some thing called speculation, Did you know that people of means can buy oil, never touch it,smell it,store it or do any thing more then hold on to it until they create an artifical shortage and then sell it at a huge profit? That profit causes the price of oil to increase as much as 50% doesn't that suck?

    I don't claim that every rich person steals by speculating but it makes you wonder if they were some how not involved in stealing the heat from someone's grandma's house or the food from some poor kid's table. Any how you are not involved in that type of
    thievery are you? If I was I would be more then happy to help those less fortunate then myself, I mean I could have been without being remotely aware of it. Just in case I made a donation to OWS
    And the price of a barrel of oil, relative to inflation, has drifted above and below a standard for the last 30 years. While you protest speculators who "got rich stealing from Grandma" (my paraphrase), there are just as many who lost. That is the nature of speculation when something does not always go up

    Lets see you think that the Presidents energy policy is FUBAR, and you really think that drill baby drill is the answer? Do tyou think that more oil will curtail speculators? Do you think that we will ever run out of oil for the drill baby drillers to drill and when we do would you rather have some in the ground that we can drill for or would you rather be paying opec prices. Lets say that life essential need products "oil being one" speculation is regulated would that mean that we should sit by idily and wait for other alternative fuels to be developed? Look into the future the one that you and I may not be part of and think hard about what those who will be part of that future need to survive
    Its not just "drill baby drill". Its build nuke plants. Its clean coal. It sure as heck is not dumping money down green energy rabbit holes like Solyndra. We will transition to other forms of energy when it is cost-effective to do so. The market will make that happen all on its own. In the meantime, importing 40% of our oil is the single biggest base root of our unemployment, via trade deficit, out there.

    We have had highly prosperous economic times all through decades of speculation in the commodities market, btw. It ain't speculation that ills us.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Who do you think created capitalism?
    Perhaps you mean 'prostitutes', as a prostitute receives payment for services rendered. Those who are taking up space on the streets are demanding money for doing nothing. A pimp analogy might work a little better for them..

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is silly. I am not involved in these demonstrations and the people you are attacking are not me. I gave you reality - you return with fantasy.
    Your own words nail you more convincingly than anything I could ever say. You are the quintescential union whore and partisan hack. Every post you have ever made here proves it.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    We also have debt due to waging wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, and a number of other places. In general this "War on Terror" has caused a good chunk of our debt. (Cost Of War On Terror 2011 | America's too-costly war on terror - Los Angeles Times) ($4.8 trillion - Interest on U.S. debt)
    No one claimed otherwise. However, the cost of the wars is at just under $2 trillion. The national debt will be $15 tillion before the next election.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually you could not be more wrong. Unions were very happy with the old America of just a couple of generations ago. We were a prosperous nation and the disparity of wealthy was not great.

    Then Ronald Reagan got elected. Then ALEC came along. Then libertarian right wing think tanks hijacked the conservative movement and then the Republican Party. Then the Kock Bros emerged from under their daddy's rock.

    Unions know exactly what America they want to see again.
    Yes, and we can see their ideas at work in Detroit.

    'What's good for Detroit id good for America', a great campaign slogan.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Comical...in a thread discussing the 'Occupy Wall Street' movement and people who are really just upset with the influence bankers and stock brokers have over elections and government, you fall all over yourself to defend the second wealthiest man in the country because he is dumping cash into YOUR politicians pocket. Way to typify every myopic partisan hack from both sides of the political spectrum there, Pete...
    you missed - no surprise - the reason for Buffett's support
    this very rich man is advocating a fair tax system which places more of the tax burden on that few who gain the most from the richness of the USA ... even tho such a measure would be to Buffett's personal financial detriment. many of us appreciate that he is not a self serving rich bastard ... plenty of those in the republican party, as well as the demo party. which is why this occupation is about social issues of disparity rather than a partisan one

    and Buffett himself has stated that we are in the midst of a class war and the rich are winning. he would have an excellent vantage to make such a valid observation. again, one which is other than self serving to him
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    wait a minute... they have whores?.... nobody told me there were whores.


    gotta get my shoes on and go join up now....
    Don't get too excited Thrilla - we're not talking the high class, high roller hookers... we're talking "hoe" grade whores. Ones that'll take out theiir dentures and give you a "gum job" for $10 extra.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually you could not be more wrong. Unions were very happy with the old America of just a couple of generations ago. We were a prosperous nation and the disparity of wealthy was not great.

    Then Ronald Reagan got elected. Then ALEC came along. Then libertarian right wing think tanks hijacked the conservative movement and then the Republican Party. Then the Kock Bros emerged from under their daddy's rock.

    Unions know exactly what America they want to see again.
    Sorry, but not so. For those of us who lived through it, unions began to fail when "made in Japan" started showing up on store shelves, and then our highways (courtesy of the glaringly lousy cars we made as demonstrated with the 70's oil embargo and gas spikes), and then "made in China ... Korea .... Malaysia ...... India ... etc". In 1970, most of America didn't even know Honda made cars.

    It wasn't Reagan, or the GOP, or any President that ruined the unions. It was their own sloth and non-competitiveness.

    The truth is painful to libs at times though.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you missed - no surprise - the reason for Buffett's support
    this very rich man is advocating a fair tax system which places more of the tax burden on that few who gain the most from the richness of the USA ... even tho such a measure would be to Buffett's personal financial detriment. many of us appreciate that he is not a self serving rich bastard ... plenty of those in the republican party, as well as the demo party. which is why this occupation is about social issues of disparity rather than a partisan one

    and Buffett himself has stated that we are in the midst of a class war and the rich are winning. he would have an excellent vantage to make such a valid observation. again, one which is other than self serving to him
    Its easy for an 81 year old nearly dead man that has accumulated tremendous wealth through all those means you and the protesters despise to now become philanthropical (yet...he is still earning those megabucks and still dumping money into political campaigns). But he doesnt have to wait for the government to pass new laws...he can just GIVE it to them RIGHT NOW. Not wait til he is dead...NOW...he should keep a modest sum and just turn the rest over to the government. Him and all the liberal multi multi millionaires. 7 of the top 10 richest politicians...democrats (OK...so John Kerry earned his by sleeping with the Yeti Heiress...still). All the Hollywood elite. all the rich libewrals...the 1% ers out there...if they BELIEVE what they say and what you think they believe then why havent they already done all of this?

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