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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    bluntly put - no. that's like arguing which piece of coal caused the train to go over the cliff.

    irrespective - the question stands. if big government were the answer, than we would be in much worse shape than Europe, as they would have been stronger than us the past couple of decades, and would have weathered the recession much easier. instead, we have steadily pulled away from them the past few decades, and several european nations seem to be getting close to fiscal collapse.
    Why does it have to be big government or small government. I personally agree that there are things the government has no right to control or monitor or regulate however there are areas where government intervention is necessary. Perhaps instead of rushing to either extreme immediately proclaiming that all government is bad government or assuming that it's the government's responsibility to do everything for you we should reach some sort of middle ground. Also to oversimplify the economic collapse in Europe by merely attributing it to the size and scope their government... really was that all that happened? I think you have to agree with me on some level, to say that all government actions are harmful is a gross distortion of reality. Not necessarily saying that you personally do, but a lot of your conservative brethren regardless of how much they claim to detest big government support very aggressive government intrusion on social policy. I don't want to be told how to live my life, you don't want to be told how to spend your money. I don't want corporate America to do my voting for me, and you don't want high school kids to use contraception. The argument goes on forever. But we essentially disagree on what government does, not how much of it we have.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    conservatives do. that's why we want the government to stop hurting job growth and sapping their free spirit.
    Can you explain exactly what you mean when you say the government is hurting job growth? What you say has a lot more meaning if you actually provide an example of what your talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I am not going to get into a rock throwing p-ssing contest with you. Keep your slanderous thoughts coming I love it, do you think you are a good representive of the conservative party? There is nothing as good as watching some one open their mouth up and swallowing their foot.
    I find no pleasure in your ignorance, or the ignorance of the Wall Street bums. The rest of society must carry you folks, one way or the other.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Did the Tea Party "demonstrate" ? Did they occupy city streets and block traffic anywhere ? These free-loader idiots have over 700 arrests already, and there will be more as this last-gasp by the losers spreads. But more to the point, has the Tea Party even had 7 arrests ?

    These free-stuff idiots will not change the 2012 election to their favor. All they are doing is pissing off more of the middle. Obama and all his cronies are despicable for taking so much to the gutter as they have. Most polarizing President ever. Worst President ever. Most of us **** better than that inept fool.

    First of all, trying to conflate the 700 arrests without understanding the context is dishonest. The police walked along side them onto the bridge. Why did the police do that if they didn't want the protestors on the bridge, instead of barring them from getting on the bridge in the first place?

    Second, there have been arrests of Tea Party protestors: Tea Party activists hit the Hill, arrested outside Pelosi’s office – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

    Third, so what if they were arrested, when they committed no violence or destruction of property?


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    On trial in Montgomery was the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., 27, pastor of the Dexter Avenue Baptist Church and leader of the Negro boycott against the Montgomery bus company (TIME, Jan. 16 et seq.}. King was the first of 90 defendants (including 24 ministers) to be tried under an Alabama law (enacted in 1921 as an antilabor measure) making it a misdemeanor to conspire "without a just cause or legal excuse" to hinder any company in its conduct of business.

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    Heart & Pocketbook. As a witness, Defendant King argued that the boycott began spontaneously, that he had not instigated it but had become its spokesman after it had already developed. It did not take Judge Carter long to hand down his verdict (King had waived a jury trial): King was found guilty, fined $500, assessed $500 in court costs, and released on bond pending appeal. The crowd flowed out in front of the courthouse, surrounding King and his wife. A gold-toothed woman shouted: "We ain't going to ride the buses now for sure." A middle-aged woman told King: "My heart and my pocketbook are at your disposal." A mass prayer meeting was set for that night. A man yelled to the crowd: "You going to be there?" Chorused the crowd: "Yes!" The same man shouted: "You going to ride the buses?" Roared the crowd: "No!" The old courthouse, which had never heard such sounds from Negroes, would never be the same again.

    Read more: National Affairs: New Sounds In a Courthouse - TIME
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    First of all, trying to conflate the 700 arrests without understanding the context is dishonest. The police walked along side them onto the bridge. Why did the police do that if they didn't want the protestors on the bridge, instead of barring them from getting on the bridge in the first place?

    Second, there have been arrests of Tea Party protestors: Tea Party activists hit the Hill, arrested outside Pelosi’s office – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

    Third, so what if they were arrested, when they committed no violence or destruction of property?
    The numbers aren't working out for you on this, are they ?

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The numbers aren't working out for you on this, are they ?
    You asked for 7, the number is 12 from one source. What else is needed? And there were 90 defendants for the Kings' trial, are they scumbags to you too?
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

    Brian

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I find no pleasure in your ignorance, or the ignorance of the Wall Street bums. The rest of society must carry you folks, one way or the other.
    But I find great pleasure in you petulance and rancor!

    And your insistence that you're carrying everyone who disagrees with you is simply precious!
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The numbers aren't working out for you on this, are they ?
    I think they were arrested based on amount of stupid.

    Took 700 to equal those tea partiers!
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by alexxouellette View Post
    Can you explain exactly what you mean when you say the government is hurting job growth?
    well there are a number of ways, the uncertainty is a major killer. the main thing I was thinking of here however is the regulatory burden.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by alexxouellette View Post
    Why does it have to be big government or small government. I personally agree that there are things the government has no right to control or monitor or regulate however there are areas where government intervention is necessary.
    yes. we call those "issues of the commons", typically limited to non-consumable goods.

    Perhaps instead of rushing to either extreme immediately proclaiming that all government is bad government or assuming that it's the government's responsibility to do everything for you we should reach some sort of middle ground.
    and we can all hold hands and sing about how we'd like to buy the world a coke. speaking in fluffy generalities is well and good, but you need clear borders.

    Also to oversimplify the economic collapse in Europe by merely attributing it to the size and scope their government... really was that all that happened?
    no. nor has anyone argued this. it is a host of factors, however, most of them can be drawn back directly or indirectly to their choice of governance.

    I think you have to agree with me on some level, to say that all government actions are harmful is a gross distortion of reality. Not necessarily saying that you personally do, but a lot of your conservative brethren regardless of how much they claim to detest big government support very aggressive government intrusion on social policy. I don't want to be told how to live my life, you don't want to be told how to spend your money.
    that's always the claim made, but somehow they are never able to point to a comparable reach into our lives on the part of social conservatives. there is no Individual Mandate saying that everyone must go to an officially approved church, for example.

    I don't want corporate America to do my voting for me, and you don't want high school kids to use contraception.
    i don't want them having sex. but i'm hardly about to use the government to force them to stop.

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