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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I did.....

    from the article on the 1964 Civil Rights Act from Wikipedia



    The Democratic party supplied more YES voted to pass the bill than the Republicans did.
    The Republicans voted in higher percentages for the bill than Dems did.

    The votes to pass the bill were truly bipartisan and it could not have been done without support from both parties.
    Thank you, which supports my contention exactly. The poster that I responded to had claimed that the Civil Rights Act passed in spite of Republicans. That was false, as I said, and as you took the time to paste here. While Republicans were the minority, they voted in percentages of higher support than teh Dems, who were saddled with their Dixiecrat contingent.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Ah yes. It is the rightwing libertarian desire to weaken and even destroy labor unions and the destruction of General Motors would have further that extremist goal. Save the banks - save Wall Street - save corporate America even if it means holding your nose as you claimed you did - but smile from ear to ear and scream loudly for the destruction of the American labor movement.
    LOL ..... Ford did not need a bailout. Ford is union. Ford would have taken up much of the slack. GM would still exist regardless. Just with less dead weight.

    Or are you going to blame Conservatives because GM became so non-competitive too ?

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Thank you, which supports my contention exactly. The poster that I responded to had claimed that the Civil Rights Act passed in spite of Republicans. That was false, as I said, and as you took the time to paste here. While Republicans were the minority, they voted in percentages of higher support than teh Dems, who were saddled with their Dixiecrat contingent.
    You stated this

    The vast majority of "Dixiecrats" stayed Democrat, and it was the Republicans that gave LBJ the support he needed to pass his civil rights bill. Look it all up.
    I believe that statement is misleading. It is somewhat truthful - in a limited way - in that the Republicans did provide votes necessary for its passage. However, the way you stated it leaves one with the impression that the Republicans were the principal party responsible for Congress passing the bill. Perhaps that was not your intention but that is how I read your comments. In reality, passage of the 64 Civil Rights Act was a bipartisan effort in which both parties contributed greatly to the bills passage. One cannot demonize either party nor credit just one party. It was a true bipartisan effort in which both parties made the passage possible.

    One could also say that it was the Democrats who gave Johnson the support he needed to pass the bill and that would also be somewhat truthful - in a limited way - in that the Democrats did provide votes necessary for its passage. But I think that too would be misleading.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    LOL ..... Ford did not need a bailout. Ford is union. Ford would have taken up much of the slack. GM would still exist regardless. Just with less dead weight.

    Or are you going to blame Conservatives because GM became so non-competitive too ?
    Nope - I blame the execs at GM and politicians for not using the Constitution as it was written.

    If GM could exist without its unions - that would be a travesty. When a company goes bankrupt - it should die like a snake run over in the highway by a semi.

    Nobody can say if Ford would have picked up any slack or not. That is at best speculative.

    There is no doubt that much of the right wing wetdream of allowing some of the Big Three to go without any federal help was simply to destroy lots of union jobs.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Nope - I blame the execs at GM and politicians for not using the Constitution as it was written.

    If GM could exist without its unions - that would be a travesty. When a company goes bankrupt - it should die like a snake run over in the highway by a semi.

    Nobody can say if Ford would have picked up any slack or not. That is at best speculative.

    There is no doubt that much of the right wing wetdream of allowing some of the Big Three to go without any federal help was simply to destroy lots of union jobs.
    As it would seem that your position is you agreed with it because it saved union jobs. I cared less either way as long as it would have been handled through the proper channels.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    As it would seem that your position is you agreed with it because it saved union jobs. I cared less either way as long as it would have been handled through the proper channels.
    The alternative was much worse - to allow GM and Chrysler to go belly up putting millions more out of work and provide the push necessary to take a recession over the cliff into a full fledged depression.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    To say it's all been paid back is spin.
    How right you are!

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The FDIC was put into place to avoid the run on banks that led to the Great Depression. It is not a bank bailout. It's a confidence booster. Provided your bank accounts are structured correctly, one's deposits are insured up to $250,000 and more by the full faith and credit of the United States Government. Yes, funded by taxpayers. Banks cannot loan out all of their capital. They have very strict regulations governing their reserves.

    My common sense tells me that student loans are backed by the U.S. Government because college students don't have adequate credit scores. And, of all the loans in the world, a student loan is one biatch to default on. The government will intercept your IRS refund checks, freeze your bank accounts and, in every way you can think of, assure that the student repays. Student loans are not excused in bankruptcy either.

    Student loans are not the only loans guaranteed by the U.S. Government:
    A confidence booster, exactly. And why would one need a confidence booster? Why not let banks fight among themselves over how best to keep customer confidence high about their services they offer? Competition, to put it another way. But no, instead, people don't think too much, nor care, about what the bank does with your money after you deposit it, because uncle sam promises that, no matter what, it'll be there when you want to take it back out. I want to open a business where I can put government backed guarantee on my product...

    As it is, it is ONLY a confidence booster. As we saw at the beginning of the housing crisis, bank runs still ruin banks, regardless of the FDIC.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I saw an interview with a wannabe hippie looking kid whining that he had a college education and couldn’t get a job. Unemployment for people with a degree is 4.2%, maybe he should of got a degree in something other than liberal arts or just look harder for a job instead of wasting time protesting.
    The problem with saying "Maybe he should got a more "useful" degree" is that, no degree is useful if enough people have it. In other words, if everybody and their brother out there all got PHDs in the medical field, guess what we would see? Out of work doctors. You can only saturate a market with but so many workers, regardless of specialization. Once upon a time, when our parents where coming up, it was the 4 year degree guys making the good dough, and the electricians and the plumbers where only "making a living". So they pushed us to get a 4 year degree...in anything, just to have a bachelor's. Today, the result of this poor advice is that, people with 4 years are out struggling to find work, and when they get it, struggling to make end's meat, while the plumbers and electricians of the world are making pretty darn good livings, most averaging around 70 a year. So guess what parents are going to push their kids into?

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you can do all those things with no credit.
    Where? All the places I have ever rented required a credit check, and before I built any up, had to have a cosigner. Unless you save up, like, a huge sweaty wad of cash, you're not buying a car without credit, and if you have the sorta job that pays well enough to do this, you're not going to qualify for bankruptcy anyway.

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