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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    "Lack of social responsibility" according to whom?

    How much do major U.S. corporations donate to charity, Mega? Most people don't even know the number. I've looked up some stats, and it's pretty impressive. Example...Pfizer (in 2004) gave 21% of its income to charity; they have programs specially designed for people who can't afford to pay for their medicine; they employ 110,000 people; and, at least here in the US, I think it's safe to assume these are damn good jobs. WalMart, in 2010, announced plans to donate $250 million in cash and $1.75 billion worth of food over the next five years to fight hunger in the United States. In 2009 113 companies donated cash totalling over $4.9 billion. Goldman Sachs increased its giving by 353% in 2010, to $315.4 million; other financials followed suit as their profits began to rebound. Citigroup -- $100 million in cash. Pfizer topped the list in 2010, giving more than $3 billion in cash and products (and, btw,l Pfizer is the largest researcher of medicines on planet earth); Oracle $2.3 billion; Merck $1.2 billion; Wells Fargo $219-million; and these numbers I'm throwing out are just the tip of the iceburg.

    Big Businesses Won

    Big bad WalMart has brought affordable goods to rural areas that were being gouged by local shopkeepers. For years, Chicago politicians blocked WalMart's store on the south side in support of unions who were determined to bring WalMart employees into their fold. This is an area where people have to drive 15-20 miles for a chain store and affordable prices. And fresh produce. Yes, in Chicago. The community clamored for the store....for the 400 jobs...for the cost-savings WalMart would allow And finally the community won.

    Do the CEOs of these companies make a lot of money? Yeppers. But if the guy who heads the largest medicinal research company in the world isn't worth $13.7 million (in '09), then tell me how A Rod is worth $27.5 million; Tiger Woods $110 million; in 2004, Payton Manning received the largest signing bonus in sports history: $34.5 million; his yearly income for ten years? $42 million.

    Maybe these demonstrators should be at playing fields protesting those salaries.

    Capitalism is a wonderful thing...
    are you sure about your stats? pfizer's donations are 90% drugs. that's not a bad thing, btw, just difficult to value.

    anyway, corporate giving results in a 2 to 1 return.

    TaxProf Blog: Corporate Charitable Giving Increases Profits

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    And that certainly helps, but when people are opposing the very infrastructure that makes this country great, such as public schooling, our retirement system, necessary changes to our health system, and other things that allow people to focus on what makes them successful as opposed to just getting by day to day, they are not performing their responsibilities.
    I'm not sure I understand your post, Mega. Corporations are opposing our infrastructure? I'm thinking we're pretty much on the same page, but I'm confused.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    of course-stealing from some to slake the envy of others is the liberal mantra but all that does is make rich dem politicians richer because people like you will worship them and give them votes for doing that

    giving the slothful and unproductive money they didn't earn tends to cause them to vote for those who give them handouts but really doesn't motivate them to become productive

    In fact it often deters that
    I don't think our economy is the biggest problem facing America today, I think it is the in fighting that is going on not only in Washington but as can be seen here, debaters should be looking for resolution not making personal attacks against one another.

    American's working towards a common goal can achieve miracles. Differences of opinion should lead to the best out come for all Americans. United in common cause means strength, division only strengthens those who want to remove America from the leader of the free world. Whether a person sweeps the street or provides medical care they are a part of what it takes to keep America great. As long as we the people confirm to the partisan ideology of the parties we support the gridlock that has stymied our recovery will prevail.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    And that certainly helps, but when people are opposing the very infrastructure that makes this country great, such as public schooling, our retirement system, necessary changes to our health system, and other things that allow people to focus on what makes them successful as opposed to just getting by day to day, they are not performing their responsibilities.
    What significant political movement wants to literally abolish public schools?
    Retirement? (at most they want to keep it private)
    Health care? (at most they want to keep it private)

    My retirement is private and the largest sink on my money is the tax rate and the recession. Health care is a private insurance and I'm told by them that the recent legislation will increase my rates.
    And none of them took significant effort. Retirement is about 2 hours a year and living below ones means. Insurance is a 2-4 page application, picking a plan (1 hour?) and sending a check.

    Oh the horror of taking the adult resopnsibility of handling things that are important to you! And maybe just maybe if you are involved with them directly, you'll value them more and understand more about federal laws that revolve around retirement/insurance? Isn't part of becoming a mature adult, taking on the responsibility to get things done that you didn't want to do when growing up? Mommy and Daddy took care of that when you're young (if you're lucky), with the societal assumption that those kids will grow up and THEY will take care of it (and the parents!). So you dont' want people to grow up? You want Wall Street to fill the role of Mommy and Daddy and fund the government to wipe their asses?

    They want all that handed to them on a silver platter, while they simply go to work 9-5 and leave all the responsibilities of life to someone else? What a crock! That's lazy and irresponsible if then lable that as an "entitlement". It's a luxury. Having a 9-5 job where you go in, work, and collect a check and leave work at work, is a luxury. Someone else is handling everything else, at a cost.

    I would argue the exact opposite. People who are forcing other people to pay for their enjoyment of the luxuries of automatic and subsidized education, health care, retirement, among other things, are not performing their responsibilities. How can anyone value retirement, if they never give it a second thought and just pound their fist and demand it? I don't get it, at all.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    If they could have stayed on message (Bank bailouts) and not swayed into the obvious liberal chant, then they might have been offered donuts and coffee at their local Tea Party gathering.

    What we have in New York, and various other cities is the result of 40 years of liberalism in our schools.

    I went to my son's middle school curriculum night a couple of weeks ago, and in one of the classes the (teacher) was talking about how they were going to incorporate social justice into their everyday curriculum on current events. Well, after she was done speaking and asked if anyone had questions, I put up my hand and asked (As my wife was digging her nails into my arm) how she defined social justice. After some umm, hmm, ummm she gave the usual talking points to which I replied, "well, I said, how can you teach something objectively if by definition the term is 100% subjective"? She didn't know what to say, but finally stated that they encourage discussion in the classroom from all students, and that all students points of view were to be respected.. I couldn't leave it there (As the nails in my skin began to draw blood ) I offered a scenario.. I asked if the death penalty was a form of social justice, I asked her if abortion on demand was a form of social justice? At this point (time was limited as we had to ove on to the next class) she stated that she'd be happy to discuss my concerns offline via email, and I stated to her that I would be eagerly reading my child's homework, and monitoring what he's learning in this class with great anticipation for a fair and balanced approach..

    Interesting that I got a few really evil looks from some of the other parents. I live in a predominantly reform Jewish neighborhood, and I'm sort of the outcast in my area, a title I wear with great pride I might add.

    Anyway... I'm sure the misfits on Wall St. will refine their message now that the unions are officially involved, but it won't matter. No one is taking them seriously as they seem to be a collection of fools who when pressed really have no clue why they're even protesting, nor how our system of government works.. They're mostly kids who have nothing better to do.


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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Congratulations, guys. You could not have picked a more inchoate, idiot group of hippies to tie your public image too. Half these people want to destroy your jobs... but you can't help yourself, and rush to join in with anyone yelling about the rich.


    alternate headline for this story: Unions Jump Shark.
    Why are Republicans rushing to defend the beneficiaries of big government? Why are the Republicans rushing to defend those who have been insulated from their failures in the market?

    The typical Republican response to this protest demonstrates that they do not understand the nature of big government or free markets.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Why are Republicans rushing to defend the beneficiaries of big government?
    Most likely for the same reasons Democrats defended Obama's role in enriching the same.

    Why are the Republicans rushing to defend those who have been insulated from their failures in the market?

    The typical Republican response to this protest demonstrates that they do not understand the nature of big government or free markets.
    We see one person that does. Ron Paul.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    WHat does that even mean "the 99% have been left out"? You do realize I am certain that a good number of that '99%' are pretty damn wealthy...making millions. Another very healthy chunk of that '99%' makes well over 250k. A significant portion of that '99%' make 50k or better. Lord...toss people a slogan and they will jump on that beeeyotch like its steak. Left out? Then maybe you ought to look at yourself and YOUR role.
    I see no conflict with members of the overseer class challenging the "master" class on behalf of the overseen.

    Chivalry and all that.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
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    It was only a matter of time 'til someone pointed this out.
    Massa sets a MEAN table, that he does.

    Bread and circuses for all.

    I'm willing to bet anti slavery protesters wore clothes made from slave harvested cotton too.

    And don't get me started on the founders and their tea.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its not about envy, its about how to make society be as functional, wealthy, and as efficient as possible, given the constraints of human nature.

    This is a question of engineering more than it is about anything else.

    Any good engineer will compensate for flawed materials if that is what they have to work with. One can complaint that x steel is not as good as y steel, but if x steel is what they got, they find a way to make it work. Human nature is flawed, so we must account for it and build a system that works within those flaws.
    Very well said!

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