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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Don't you think somebody in a leadership role would have to decide what to put on the website?

    Somewhere somebody is typing in what they want the website to say as a representative of the group/protest, so I would say that person has a leadership role.
    I disagree, I think it's possible to be an organizer without being the leader of the movement. There's a concept, Wall St greed and corruption but that's vauge and all he's listed is generalities on the website.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    I find this whole thread pretty interesting.

    The similarities between this thing and the tea party, in terms of having nonspecific desires (even if the desires themselves are very different) both movements are there. Both movements contain multiple subgroups that may be interested in one specific aspect of the general ideology but have their own desires. At this point in time, both movements were rather vague, however, the tea party movement has been around longer and has gained more cohesion due to that.

    Ultimately, in both cases, what we are seeing is self organizing populism which may be the new "thing" for politics (and I certainly hope it is as I see it as good for the country and getting the middle men (political parties)) out of the way.

    In both cases, people who may be opposed to either group, ideologically are looking for an excuse they can imagine to smear the groups, do the point of outright making things up (lots of that in this thread).

    So basically, we have been down this road before, two years ago.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Was the GOP really saying that or was it the democratic party that was against the civil right movement?
    I agree, it wasn't the GOP but it wasn't necessarily the Democratic party. The party controlled both houses of Congress as well as the Presidency when passing it. It was strictly regionally based and after 1964, the GOP did institute the "southern strategy" to bring in the former Democratically voting deep south states using racism and passage of Civil Rights by the Democrats...

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Was the GOP really saying that or was it the democratic party that was against the civil right movement?
    JFK was the president from 1960 to 1963. His vice president took over after JFK was assassinated. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was JFK's idea and the GOP along with some Dems from the south attempt to plant fear in the hearts of white Americans to stop the Act from passing. I was an adult voter when all this was going on. The GOP had put forth a bill in early 1963 that JFK felt did not go far enough in providing equality and protection to Blacks. The northern Democrats filibustered the GOP bill to give JFK time to craft a more comprehensive bill. Then southern Democrats and GOPs joined together to try to filibuster JFKs bill, but were unsuccessful. This lead to some southern Democrats becoming GOPs.

    The rhetoric was pretty nasty.
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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    The media are totally capable of telling the truth about these things, they're obviously competent. But the broadcast press was completely subverted by the Feds like in that George Clooney movie.

    All these "Mr. freedom" types w/ their flags and their bumperstickers can't see their right to speech has been killed.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    JFK was the president from 1960 to 1963. His vice president took over after JFK was assassinated. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was JFK's idea and the GOP along with some Dems from the south attempt to plant fear in the hearts of white Americans to stop the Act from passing. I was an adult voter when all this was going on. The GOP had put forth a bill in early 1963 that JFK felt did not go far enough in providing equality and protection to Blacks. The northern Democrats filibustered the GOP bill to give JFK time to craft a more comprehensive bill. Then southern Democrats and GOPs joined together to try to filibuster JFKs bill, but were unsuccessful. This lead to some southern Democrats becoming GOPs.

    The rhetoric was pretty nasty.

    AHH, thanks for that history lesson, I had the broad idea but didn't know exactly how it played out.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm not saying it won't end up being taken over by the Democratic party, that's entirely possible. As it is now, in it's current form it is grass roots. Despitre the rhetoric from the right, the Democratic party is just as pro-Wall Street as the Republican party. Yeah, Obama talks about fat cats but Wall Street donates just as much if not more to Democratic canidates as Republicans. Schumer is a Wall Street guy through and through.

    Just like the Tea Partiers are suspicious of Republican politicians because they tend to spend as bad as Democrats.
    Liberals are suspicious of the Democratic party because it tends to be as pro-Wall Street and big business as the Republicans.

    Lets be honest, coporate money and Wall Street dominates both parties. You can't raise a 500+ million dollar warchest from working stiffs.
    There is nothing "grass roots" about this. It is 100% astro-turf. These folks are protesting about events that happened 3-8 years ago, while Obama has spent is into the crapper since, and failed at everything. That in itself reveals its nonsense. This is Obama's reelection campaign. Phoney as a $3 bill.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    Not anymore. The usually solidly GOP grey voters from FL are joining in as are the usually GOP older voters elsewhere. We would like to thank Rick 'Ponzi scheme" Perry and John 'cut entitlements' Boehner plans for steering these voters away from the Republican party.
    Nonsense. Obama is dropping like a rock in Florida. The Dems got their asses kicked here in Nov 2010. None of this "corporate greed" and "Wall Street" corruption is a phenomenon that happened since then, unless they are looking at Obama's cronie capitalism. Frankly, your notions could not be more uninformed and absurd. Hippy farts and rainbows.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    AHH, thanks for that history lesson, I had the broad idea but didn't know exactly how it played out.
    Which is not how it played out. Southern Democrats, such as Byrd, Gore (Al's dad), Fulbright, etc., did not become Republicans. The vast majority of "Dixiecrats" stayed Democrat, and it was the Republicans that gave LBJ the support he needed to pass his civil rights bill. Look it all up.

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    Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

    There is nothing "grass roots" about this. It is 100% astro-turf. These folks are protesting about events that happened 3-8 years ago, while Obama has spent is into the crapper since, and failed at everything. That in itself reveals its nonsense. This is Obama's releection campaign. Phoney as a $3 bill.
    I disagree. For one, any true, real movement doesn't happen until people feel pain. In 2008, when the bailouts were passed the economy just tanked. For any movement to gain ground the populace has to typically be pushed to the limit. Hoovervills didn't appear overnight and Ludlow and other major strikes didn't happen even though these people worked in horrid conditions for years. There has to be some sort of catalyst or long term suffering. For the Tea Party, that catalyst was a black president and a Democratic party majority. I'm not saying it's racism, but the movement is very reactionary and Obama represents real change, like the makeup of America changing and major changing of political beliefs.

    If the economy was fine right now, I doubt those people would be out there. These most likely represent people that voted Obama in 2008....but I bet the majority are dissapointed in him. Let it play out before you claim it's astro trufed unless you can follow a money trail back to major backers of the Democratic party (like you could with the Tea Party).

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