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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Helix,

    Like myself, those business owners have worked their way through school and the industry so they don't have to do that sort of work. They have invested their money, time, and energy into business' so they don't have to do the grunt work. Unless you're one like that kid from Wisconsin a couple months back with the quote about how terrible it is that the restraurant he works at was a dictatorship and not a democracy.

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Do Mexican's have some sort of genetic make up that makes them more qualified for these jobs?
    It serves the Liberal notion that Americans--specifically white Americans--are weak.
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It serves the Liberal notion that Americans--specifically white Americans--are weak.
    It's not that...it's just that US citizens are unwilling to endure backbreaking work for the wage that the job is actually worth. And implementing silly wage-distorting policies (e.g. minimum wage, crackdowns on immigration, "fair" trade, etc) does not change that reality.
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Helix,

    Like myself, those business owners have worked their way through school and the industry so they don't have to do that sort of work.
    what's wrong with "that sort of work?"

    i say that there's nothing wrong with it. have the wealthy do it for a season or two. they would get to keep their tax cut, not to mention the extra they'd be bringing in from migrant worker wages. should be all bonus for you.

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Seriously though, the farm jobs posted on the DOL website list that they're seasonal, pay less than $10 an hour and there is pretty much no room for advancement.

    Plus you have to compete with things like unemployment insurance, which makes it really not worth working so hard for the same money.

    The only way to get around those things is to pay more.
    You do realize that in order to get state unemployment, one (usually) has to prove that they are actively seeking employment (Are you eligible to claim unemployment benefits?). I don't get how so many people think that to get unemployment, you just send out a form and then sit on your ass, or that it lasts forever.
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It's not that...it's just that US citizens are unwilling to endure backbreaking work for the wage that the job is actually worth. And implementing silly wage-distorting policies (e.g. minimum wage, crackdowns on immigration, "fair" trade, etc) does not change that reality.
    Really, backbreaking work is only worth sub minimum wage pay?

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Really, backbreaking work is only worth sub minimum wage pay?
    Yes. If it was worth more than that, then the job would pay more than that. If there are plenty of qualified and capable people willing to do the work for $2 per hour, then the job isn't worth $10 per hour.
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes. If it was worth more than that, then the job would pay more than that. If there are plenty of qualified and capable people willing to do the work for $2 per hour, then the job isn't worth $10 per hour.
    They are here illegally. They can not say anything. If not for minimum wage there would be places paying well under that rate and people would take them.

    Serious.....you are argueing to get rid of the minimum wage?

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    what's wrong with "that sort of work?"

    i say that there's nothing wrong with it. have the wealthy do it for a season or two. they would get to keep their tax cut, not to mention the extra they'd be bringing in from migrant worker wages. should be all bonus for you.
    There's nothing wrong with that sort of work. However it is physically demanding, and generally not the most pleasant work to do. So, while there's nothing wrong with it, most people would prefer to avoid it if possible.

    Again, I believe we've got plenty of people already sucking on the Government teat who could do this work perfectly well and relieve a lot of the strain on my tax burden at the same time.

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    They are here illegally. They can not say anything.
    That is the very issue being discussed. Shielding people from market forces by cracking down on illegal immigration just makes the economy worse off.

    If not for minimum wage there would be places paying well under that rate and people would take them.
    Good. Then people would have jobs at a wage they could live with, and employers would have workers at a wage they could afford. Win/win.

    Serious.....you are argueing to get rid of the minimum wage?
    Yes. The minimum wage is horridly counterproductive, and the people it harms most of all are the poorest. It prevents people whose skillset isn't WORTH $7.25 per hour from finding a job at all.
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