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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    How about giving a legal status to resident aliens so they can't be used as a second-class labor force with no access to the protection of the law and no employer responsibilities?
    Wouldn't those that hire illegals just find more illegals? One of the benefits to hiring illegals is that you can pay them substandard wages and, you do not have to provide them them benefits. Are you going to legalize every illegal that has hopped over the border or deliberately overstayed a visa?
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    ERS/USDA Briefing Room - Farm Income and Costs: 2011 Farm Sector Income Forecast

    Net Farm Income Forecast Up 31 Percent in 2011

    Net farm income is forecast at $103.6 billion for 2011, up $24.5 billion for a rise of 31 percent from 2010. Net farm income reflects income from production in the current year, whether or not sold within the calendar year, and is a measure of the increase in wealth from production. The 2011 forecast of net farm income is the highest inflation-adjusted value recorded since 1974.
    Yeah...pay more.

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    No No! We can subsidize agriculture to keep prices low and bring them back.
    You mean tarriffs right?
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Glad that some people have honed in on the key factor to solve this problem.

    Higher wages will attract more American workers. Our standard of living is higher and we have social services that pay more than working full time with these companies would as a laborer. What incentive is there to go looking for those jobs if there are other choices?

    Look at the grand scheme here. Companies are saving money, and politicians get kickbacks for giving those companies more free reign. All those border patrols and security also creates jobs to keep some illegals out (but never all of them, of course).

    Our government is not serious about cracking down on illegals. This should be plainly obvious by now. And it's not only Obama who is responsible either... it was Bush before him, and every President before that. Southern business and illegal workers go hand in hand, always have.

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Allow farmers to hire illegals and no American has a job. Have farm work outsourced in a sense and no American still has no job. Can't say that allowing farmers to get away with hiring illegals is a good thing.
    Except if hiring illegals to do work no American wants to do keeps prices low so consumers can spend more money elsewhere and allows food to be produced in the United States and even forms part of your exports, then it would actually have the same effect as a... TAX CUT!

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Just checked the department of labor website, to see what they're offering in my state.
    So far it's $9.12 an hour, which is a hair more a week than unemployment (like $34 give or take).

    So who here wants to go plant and pull crops, in the heat and/or cold, getting filthy, all the while wearing your back out?
    That's soooo much more attractive, than sitting on your duff collecting a check from the state.
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Business that cant find workers....either have horrific work conditions or just dont pay enough....PERIOD.....

    Does anyone believe that big corporate farmers charge less at the wholesale levels market value for fruit and vegetables based on how much they saved underpaying illegal immigrants...it just puts more in thier pocket...doesnt lower the price of produce a dime
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Business that cant find workers....either have horrific work conditions or just dont pay enough....PERIOD.....

    Does anyone believe that big corporate farmers charge less at the wholesale levels market value for fruit and vegetables based on how much they saved underpaying illegal immigrants...it just puts more in thier pocket...doesnt lower the price of produce a dime
    Big corporate farmers have access to more capital to invest in super duper agricultural machinery that lessens the need for manual labourers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Wouldn't those that hire illegals just find more illegals? One of the benefits to hiring illegals is that you can pay them substandard wages and, you do not have to provide them them benefits. Are you going to legalize every illegal that has hopped over the border or deliberately overstayed a visa?
    Well, I wouldn't make them citizens in one fell swoop. If they are given some status as a legal resident alien that allows for employers to hire them legally, but without requiring them to provide benefits or pay taxes for having them on the books it would be a lot more practical to go after employers that still hire illegals. The point is to make it more expensive to hire illegal aliens than legal ones while dealing with the demographic facts on the ground.
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Big corporate farmers have access to more capital to invest in super duper agricultural machinery that lessens the need for manual labourers.
    True Jet...but whats your point ?

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