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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    If you sleep with dogs you will get fleas. I have no sympathy for a farmer that has illegally employed illegals for decades and is now having a hard time finding legal helpers. If it winds up costing us more, so be it......I don't want the benefit of cheap food if it was priced using illegal aliens as laborers.
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Maybe some of these farmers should learn to use

    "The H-2A temporary agricultural program establishes a means for agricultural employers who anticipate a shortage of domestic workers to bring nonimmigrant foreign workers to the U.S. to perform agricultural labor or services of a temporary or seasonal nature.
    Employment Law Guide - Temporary Agricultural Workers (H-2A Visas)
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    If you sleep with dogs you will get fleas. I have no sympathy for a farmer that has illegally employed illegals for decades and is now having a hard time finding legal helpers. If it winds up costing us more, so be it......I don't want the benefit of cheap food if it was priced using illegal aliens as laborers.
    You won't pay more -- you'll just buy produce that was grown in South or Central America instead of Georgia or Alabama. Mission accomplished.

    Wassup, CG?
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You won't pay more -- you'll just buy produce that was grown in South or Central America instead of Georgia or Alabama. Mission accomplished.

    Wassup, CG?
    No No! We can subsidize agriculture to keep prices low and bring them back.

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
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    My thoughts are that the farmer's going to have to pay more. Which means we'll pay more. But that's okay with me if it keeps illegals out of the country.

    Having said that, there's no reason why the Temporary Workers Program can't be expanded to include more workers...

    Edit: I think field workers are paid for their production; that means that newbies could get frustrated until they learn their own shortcuts. That may well account for "starting in the morning and walking out at noon."
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    My thoughts are that the farmer's going to have to pay more. Which means we'll pay more. But that's okay with me if it keeps illegals out of the country.

    Having said that, there's no reason why the Temporary Workers Program can't be expanded to include more workers...
    My thoughts precisely...and fruits and veggies will remain priced at what the market will pay...farmers and not POOR this isnt the early 1900s...they get subsidies and just look at the price per pound were paying with ILLEGAL labor
    Bring in more LEGAL immigrants pay them a bit more...and the price would remain fairly constant

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    This year, though, with tough times lingering and a big jump in the minimum wage under the program, to nearly $10.50 an hour, Mr. Harold brought in only two-thirds of his usual contingent.

    Here is how I read this......the government told him that to bring in workers from outide the country legally, he was going to have to pay them $10.50 an hour. Not wanting to do that he thought he would hire locally for less. He is now having a hard time finding workers for less than what the government has decided is what foriegn workers should be paid.

    The arguement that illegals will work for less is actually even misleading. If you pay an illegal $7.00 an hour, he gets $7.00 an hour. Pay someone here legally $7.00 an hour he gets less than that because of taxes.

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post

    Apparently they need to up the wages. The Job is very unattractive due to to the following

    1.Its out of the city which means long drive and more money spent on gas which could translate into you making less that minimum wage after the cost of gas and taxes.

    2.The job is seasonal which means you have to find a new job once the season is over, Which finding a new job can be a a bitch.

    3.Lot of manual labor. Just because that farmer places little to no value on manual labor does not mean the person doing that labor sees it the same way.

    I am pretty sure that someone could find a job that is close to that in pay, in the city or close to the city,less manual labor,possibly some extra benefits and permanent which means over time they may be making more than $10.50 an hour. Which sounds like a better deal? So logically those farmers need to make those jobs more attractive. More pay, pay for gas or provide transportation, add some benifits and if they are really in dire need of employees then they can try to promote farm work to highschoil students
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You won't pay more -- you'll just buy produce that was grown in South or Central America instead of Georgia or Alabama. Mission accomplished.

    Wassup, CG?
    Allow farmers to hire illegals and no American has a job. Have farm work outsourced in a sense and no American still has no job. Can't say that allowing farmers to get away with hiring illegals is a good thing.
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