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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    maybe working the fields should be a condition of the wealthiest keeping their low tax rate, also.

    after all, they are not "lazy people" who are afraid of hard work. and they should be happy to do it for less than minimum wage, as minimum wage is some kind of an abomination that kills jobs.

    i think we might have a real solution here.
    That's a brilliant idea that only non thinking liberals could come up with, lets see, lets take the educated skilled people that pay the majority of the taxes in this country, and put them to work in the fields, where after the work is completed, we get to support them by giving them housing, medical, schooling for them and their family members, food stamps, and whatever other benefits these illegals get after the harvest is done.

    Yep brilliant reduce our taxable income even more, add more money to the giveaway programs I can see where liberals would see this as a solution

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    You do realize that in order to get state unemployment, one (usually) has to prove that they are actively seeking employment (Are you eligible to claim unemployment benefits?). I don't get how so many people think that to get unemployment, you just send out a form and then sit on your ass, or that it lasts forever.
    That's not hard to bs on.
    They don't usually check up on that.
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Well, I concede that reasonable people could disagree on the point, hence my use of the words "perhaps."
    Nothing personal, but I can't even go that far. There is nothing reasonable about the minimum wage.

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Here's my concern:

    Below some minimal level of income, workers are still dependent on society at large for their needs.
    Let me stop you right there. Minimum wage and total income are totally different things. You can't assume that, because a job pays below minimum wage it necessitates that a worker is making a minimal level of total income.

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Consider healthcare for example. A very low-wage worker can't afford emergency room visits, but will use one in emergency situations. The cost of treating that worker is then socialized, either through increased surcharges for the paying users of the hospital or through some other form of socialized medicine.
    Who knows how that will change absent minimum wage? When employers are not forced to pay employees more than they are worth, they will have more money to play around with. It might be cheaper to pay a fry-cook four bucks and hour plus health insurance than to pay him minimum wage without health insurance. Truly, it seems like a good case for healthcare reform, but it is hardly a good reason for minimum wage laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Therefore, the employer has only succeded in passing the costs of caring for that worker on to society at large. In other words, the employer is forcing the taxpayer or hospital goer to make up the difference between what they pay and a true living wage.
    The costs to society that I am concerned about are the massive amount of unemployed people caused by minimum wage laws. Your own concerns are wasted when you apply minimum wage to teenagers who live with their parents and have no expenses. These undeserving types are kept at an artificially inflated wage at the expense of jobs going to the unemployed adults who need them. If an employer was allowed to pay his teenagers three seventy-five, he could hire an adult worker at three seventy-five who actually needed the money. Or maybe he'd hire the teenager for two bucks and pay the adult worker five. The point is, people are getting paid for the value they add, not based on some arbitrary government-enforced minimum.

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    If he pays more, we pay more. We won't pay more. The market will kill the American farmer. The tragedy here is not that it's "hard work and the farmer doesn't pay enough." The tragedy is that we are making it too easy for unemployed Americans to choose staying home. I don't care that the work is hard. A farmer has to make a profit to stay in business. This nations political parties and governmental leadership, both Republican and Democrat, have made it too damned easy for Americans to get lazy through bloated and fiscally fatal entitlement programs. We've globalized our economy to the point that we simply cannot maintain our "standard of living" without cheap imported goods and cheap immigrant labor...and we've essentially said (through entitlements) "it's okay American worker, be lazy, you don't have to work hard, if you don't like picking in the fields stay home, other tax payers will make sure your bills are paid."
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If an employer was allowed to pay his teenagers three seventy-five, he could hire an adult worker at three seventy-five who actually needed the money. Or maybe he'd hire the teenager for two bucks and pay the adult worker five. The point is, people are getting paid for the value they add, not based on some arbitrary government-enforced minimum.
    Other countries see the same light you do!! They have some of the most efficient manufacturing plants in the world. We have a nickname for them: sweatshops.
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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Pay more, it's that simple.
    Are you willing to pay more for your food? $5 per pound for apples instead $.99? $8 for a gallon of milk?

    Everything is so simple until your own neck is on the line.

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Other countries see the same light you do!! They have some of the most efficient manufacturing plants in the world. We have a nickname for them: sweatshops.
    This kind of thinking like this is leading us down the garden path to total economic collapse. When you're unemployed with no prospects those jobs you deride look pretty good. But I'm glad we have enlightened folks like you who know better than the individual. Lord knows people are too stupid to think for themselves, thank God we have Maggie to prevent stupid people from working at jobs that pay because Maggie thinks they pay too little. Bless you, Maggie. Bless you.

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Really, backbreaking work is only worth sub minimum wage pay?
    Nope its worth much more...but the basis of the entire problem is the employers DO NOT WANT TO PAY they want dirtcheap illegal immigrant labor that never complains

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Starving people will eat sand. That's what a sweatshop is.

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    Re: Farmers Strain to Hire American in Place of Migrant Labor

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Starving people will eat sand. That's what a sweatshop is.
    I've got news for you: you eat sand whenever you get a burger at McDonalds.

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