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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I don't understand why people feel changing the arguements to suit their viewpoint is a valid positions to take.

    I said that if pot revenue dry's up they will do everything they can to increase the sales of harder drugs.
    Ok. I guess we sort of agree on everything in that case.
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    Re: ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    The TV is saying rich donors were funding the chicks legal bills, not BRIBERY in the literal but figuratively.

    Donald Trump was mentioned on Headline News last night, a horrid source of info, I admit. Its still gaming the system, like the NASA chick who plotted to kill and drove in diapers across the country, she got off too, to save the govmnt embarrassment. Are you telling me, that this ATF story is not driven by coverups and PR spin since CBS News first uncovered it?

    The mainstream media including the Wa Ho Po are renaming it into a Hollywood movie, lying about WH involvement, etc. Its called the Gunwalker Scandal!
    You know better than to listen to TV right?
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    Re: ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You know better than to listen to TV right?
    Well the IMF guy, Strauss Khan was perceived as a slimeball until the PR firms and govmnt spin machine did the rape victim is to blame tactic, and all the dirty American media followed suit with "gold digger" attached to the story!

    What shame and under handed things govmnts will do to cover their guilt.

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    Re: ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed

    Ill just cram these articles into this thread.


    Fast and Furious: FBI report at odds with ATF claim on weapons - latimes.com

    Reporting from Washington— The claim by senior ATF officials that none of the weapons lost in the botched Fast and Furious sting operation were used in the shooting of a Border Patrol agent is not supported by FBI ballistics tests, according to a copy of the FBI report on the shooting.

    Last week, spokesmen Scot Thomasson and Drew Wade of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told The Times that the FBI had assured them that neither of the two Fast and Furious weapons found at the scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry's death were the ones that killed the agent.

    "We're not aware of any forensic evidence that would link these guns to the homicide," they said.

    A copy of the FBI report obtained by The Times' Washington bureau shows ballistics tests did not rule out the Fast and Furious guns.
    ATF wordsmithing guns found at a borderpatrols death under the rug.



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    ATF promotes supervisors from border gun operation - latimes.com

    Reporting from Washington— The ATF has promoted three key supervisors of a controversial sting operation that allowed firearms to be illegally trafficked across the U.S. border into Mexico.

    All three have been heavily criticized for pushing the program forward even as it became apparent that it was out of control. At least 2,000 guns were lost and many turned up at crime scenes in Mexico and two at the killing of a U.S. Border Patrol agent in Arizona.

    McMahon and Newell have acknowledged making serious mistakes in the program, which was dubbed Operation Fast and Furious.

    McMahon was promoted Sunday to deputy assistant director of the ATF's Office of Professional Responsibility and Security Operations — the division that investigates misconduct by employees and other problems.

    Newell was the special agent in charge of the field office for Arizona and New Mexico, where Fast and Furious was conducted. On Aug. 1, the ATF announced he would become special assistant to the assistant director of the agency's Office of Management in Washington.

    Voth was an on-the-ground team supervisor for the operation, and last month he was moved to Washington to become branch chief for the ATF's tobacco division.

    Voth supervised the crew of ATF agents under the operation. As they questioned the wisdom of allowing illegal purchases, he countered that because the weapons were turning up at Mexico crime scenes, cartel leaders had to be involved. He told his crew members they were "watching the right people."

    His agents did not buy it.
    Key players seem to get promotions without people calling it a promotion. The double-speak for this is "latteral transfer into administration."
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    Re: ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed

    Oh look more guns turn up!!!

    Fast and Furious weapons found in Mexico cartel enforcer's home - latimes.com

    The clock is ticking on Holder. So how long before indictments are handed down?

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    Re: ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed

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    Re: ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed

    Quote Originally Posted by LA Times
    Fast and Furious weapons found in Mexico cartel enforcer's home - latimes.com

    Fast and Furious weapons were found in Mexico cartel enforcer's home
    Guns illegally purchased under the ATF operation were found in April hidden in violence-plagued Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, court records show.

    By Richard A. Serrano, Washington Bureau

    October 8, 2011, 8:46 p.m.
    Reporting from Washington—
    High-powered assault weapons illegally purchased under the ATF's Fast and Furious program in Phoenix ended up in a home belonging to the purported top Sinaloa cartel enforcer in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, whose organization was terrorizing that city with the worst violence in the Mexican drug wars.

    In all, 100 assault weapons acquired under Fast and Furious were transported 350 miles from Phoenix to El Paso, making that West Texas city a central hub for gun traffickers. Forty of the weapons made it across the border and into the arsenal of Jose Antonio Torres Marrufo, a feared cartel leader in Ciudad Juarez, according to federal court records and trace documents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    The smugglers' tactics — quickly moving the weapons far from ATF agents in southern Arizona, where it had been assumed they would circulate — vividly demonstrate that what had been viewed as a local problem was much larger. Six other Fast and Furious guns destined for El Paso were recovered in Columbus, N.M.
    Worse news for Holder:

    GOP calls for Holder’s resignation intensify
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed

    Way to spend that American Recovery and Reinvestmant Act up. Making the taxpayers pay for guns to cartels....

    DOJ Press Release - Justice Department Announces Success In Battle Against Firearms Trafficking And Recovery Act Funds To Build On Project Gunrunner
    HOUSTON — Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Acting Director Kenneth E. Melson today announced the results of ATF’s Gun Runner Impact Team (GRIT) initiative, a 120-day deployment of ATF resources to the Houston Field Division to disrupt illegal firearms trafficking by Mexican drug cartels. The Justice Department officials also outlined the $10 million in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds that have been allocated to support the initiative going forward.



    ATF Online - Firearms - Programs - Project Gunrunner
    In response, ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives.

    Project Gunrunner’s objective is to deny Mexican drug cartels the “tools of the trade,” which they employ to murder rival drug traffickers, civilians, as well as political, military, and law enforcement figures in order to strengthen their grip on the lucrative drug and firearms routes into and out of the United States.
    So in order to keep guns out of the hands of said above people they hand the same thousands of guns.... *cough* BULL**** *cough*

    America. Defund the ATF. Just scrap the whole damn thing.
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    Re: ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed

    Subpoenas issued. Will holder resign, Obozo fire him, or will he try to stick it out?

    Issa Issues Subpoena To Holder In Fast And Furious Investigation | Fox News

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    Re: ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed

    Quote Originally Posted by mtlhdtodd View Post
    Subpoenas issued. Will holder resign, Obozo fire him, or will he try to stick it out?

    Issa Issues Subpoena To Holder In Fast And Furious Investigation | Fox News
    He'll resign - he'll be too detrimental to the Obama re-election campaign if he sticks around. I say by Jan 1 he's outa here if he's gonna get thrown under the bus.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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