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Perry once defended Confederate symbols

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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Eleven years ago, when the NAACP stepped up a campaign to remove the Confederate battle flag from statehouses and other government buildings across the South, it found an opponent in Rick Perry.

I am really torn on this one. True, the Confederate flag represents slavery to most people, as the primary purpose in the South's secession was their insistence that they had the right to slavery. But it goes much deeper than that. The Stars and Bars also represents the South's view that the North supported slavery too.... The kind of slavery that comes with one region imposing it's will on another. Yea, I know, I know, it's not the same thing, but there was a culture in the South that saw the big Government of the North as a dictator. In that sense, the Confederate flag represents small government. From the Revolution onward, the South was the poster child for smaller government, and has always been.

To the KKK'ers who fly the Confederate flag, **** you. I know what kind of people you are. To the others who fly it, you have my blessing. I understand that the Confederate flag represents a philosophy of smaller government that is returning, after having been.... gone with the wind.... Yea, had to rip that line to set up my closing statement. As much as I detest Rick Perry, I see no problem with his supporting Confederate symbols. As for the politically correct who want to ban those symbols, frankly, I don't give a damn.

Article is here.
 
People have every right to fly the Confederate flag if they wish to do so. Over time the flag has been demonized and the people who wish to fly it called racists or ignorant. People often forget that Abraham Lincoln ran a tyranny that suspended freedoms such as Habeas Corpus that should never have been suspended. The Southern states had a right to secession according to the US Constitution (remember that thing?). He invaded a country that had been sovereign since before he was even inaugurated and is responsible for the bloodiest war in American history with over 600,000 killed and countless wounded and with their lives destroyed.

And even in 2011 people are frowned upon and attacked for flying a flag representing that sovereign country.
 
I mean, I understand the history of the flag, but it is just a symbol. It has as much power as we give it.
 
Flying the confederate flag at state houses SHOULD be illegal, regardless of what it means to who. That is PUBLIC property, paid for and maintained by that public's tax money. If there is so much as just ONE tax payer that doesn't want that flag, that flag should not be flown, period, end of discussion.
 
When you read the text of speeches and news articles from the early 1860s it becomes clear the Civil War was not primarily about slavery. It was about States rights to independently govern (Confederacy) versus over Federal government rights to force states to adhere to central laws (United States). Slavery was one of several issues that lead to the war. The biggest issue was the federal government attempting to levy a tariff on goods the south was selling to other countries. This was the primary reason southern states started seceding from the US and the secession was why Lincoln went after them with military force.

Slavery was added as a reason for the war later by Lincoln as support for the protracted and bloody war was fading. Most in the north opposed slavery on moral grounds and Lincoln exploited that to gain support for the war.
 
Flying the confederate flag at state houses SHOULD be illegal, regardless of what it means to who. That is PUBLIC property, paid for and maintained by that public's tax money. If there is so much as just ONE tax payer that doesn't want that flag, that flag should not be flown, period, end of discussion.

I'm sure there is more than one taxpayer who does not want the American flag flown over state houses as well.

Should we take them down too?
 
Flying the confederate flag at state houses SHOULD be illegal, regardless of what it means to who. That is PUBLIC property, paid for and maintained by that public's tax money. If there is so much as just ONE tax payer that doesn't want that flag, that flag should not be flown, period, end of discussion.

with this kind of thinking there wouldnt be another flag of any kind ever raised up a pole again.......ever
 
No, because the american flag is the current symbol for our country. Without which, we could get confused as to WHICH state those house belong. When you go to another country, and you need to visit the US embasy there, if there is one, you go to the building flying the US flag, not the stars and bars.
 
When you read the text of speeches and news articles from the early 1860s it becomes clear the Civil War was not primarily about slavery. It was about States rights to independently govern (Confederacy) versus over Federal government rights to force states to adhere to central laws (United States). Slavery was one of several issues that lead to the war. The biggest issue was the federal government attempting to levy a tariff on goods the south was selling to other countries. This was the primary reason southern states started seceding from the US and the secession was why Lincoln went after them with military force.

Slavery was added as a reason for the war later by Lincoln as support for the protracted and bloody war was fading. Most in the north opposed slavery on moral grounds and Lincoln exploited that to gain support for the war.

make no mistake, slavery was THE underlying issue which divided the nation
state's rights was only an argument used in the defense of slavery
 
The Stars & Bars is a symbol of oppression and rebellion to defend that oppression.

its that simple. Defending it is defending the indefensible.
 
By the way, why do you hate Rick Perry?

I don't actually hate anybody, but I do dislike Rick Perry because he is not who he claims to be. He has raised taxes on tobacco and alcohol, attempted to force school girls to receive vaccinations for a vaccine that had not been fully tested on humans, waived safety requirements for Mexican trucks to operate on Texas roads, while American drivers still must have the same tests, sent an innocent man to the death chamber, and then attempted to cover it up, added thousands of public sector jobs, at taxpayer expanse, and then has the gall to tell us that he increased the number of jobs in Texas, gave away control of our toll roads to companies in Mexico and China, and all of this is just the tip of the iceberg. No matter what Perry says, his own actions show that he is a liar. Perry is big government personified. However, I am willing to defend him on his use and support of Confederate symbols because some of his detractors (Ironically, most are Republicans) are attempting to make him out to be a racist, which he is not.
 
No, because the american flag is the current symbol for our country. Without which, we could get confused as to WHICH state those house belong. When you go to another country, and you need to visit the US embasy there, if there is one, you go to the building flying the US flag, not the stars and bars.

Right, if I need to find the American Embassy building I would find the one with the American flag.

So?
 
The Stars & Bars is a symbol of oppression and rebellion to defend that oppression.

its that simple. Defending it is defending the indefensible.

nope, the Stars & Bars is a symbol of sovereignty or seccession with a significance of strength and progress......the flag took on many different looks and designs but the one most are familiar with is the battle flag which has 13 stars (one for each state in the confederacy) and the diagonal cross as opposed to an upright cross to avoid religious objection. A white supremecist group after the war did use the stars and bars as THEIR symbol as they intimidated minorities and people have been led to beleive that is a symbol of oppression....but actually slavery was very acceptable under the Stars and Stripes until it was outlawed.
 
I am really torn on this one. True, the Confederate flag represents slavery to most people, as the primary purpose in the South's secession was their insistence that they had the right to slavery. But it goes much deeper than that. The Stars and Bars also represents the South's view that the North supported slavery too.... The kind of slavery that comes with one region imposing it's will on another. Yea, I know, I know, it's not the same thing, but there was a culture in the South that saw the big Government of the North as a dictator. In that sense, the Confederate flag represents small government. From the Revolution onward, the South was the poster child for smaller government, and has always been.

To the KKK'ers who fly the Confederate flag, **** you. I know what kind of people you are. To the others who fly it, you have my blessing. I understand that the Confederate flag represents a philosophy of smaller government that is returning, after having been.... gone with the wind.... Yea, had to rip that line to set up my closing statement. As much as I detest Rick Perry, I see no problem with his supporting Confederate symbols. As for the politically correct who want to ban those symbols, frankly, I don't give a damn.

Article is here.

I wouldn't even say that that was the South's primary reason. Other than that, I think you're more or less spot on. I know a lot of people that fly Confederate flags and not one of them are racist. They just have the mentality that a states right is greater than a countries rights and that big government has ruined America.
 
Also, people should not comment on things they don't understand. That is all.
 
The Stars & Bars is a symbol of oppression and rebellion to defend that oppression.

its that simple. Defending it is defending the indefensible.

Is it really that simple though?

Why do you support denying people the right to fly the flag?
 
The Confederate Flag represents people who didn't even want to belong to the union. Along with that issue is the fact that it represents slavery, racism and all the rest of that fun stuff. I'm really bored of the whole "but it's just innocent history" BS. No it's not.

But if he defended it because of free speech, I don't have a problem with that. If he defended it because he thinks it has value, **** him.
 
The US Flag flew over US slave ships. The US Flag flew over ships that often brought slaves to America from Africa and/or transported them from New York and other northern ports to ports in the South. The Confederate flag never flew over a slave ship.
 
The US Flag flew over US slave ships. The US Flag flew over ships that often brought slaves to America from Africa and/or transported them from New York and other northern ports to ports in the South. The Confederate flag never flew over a slave ship.

err....did the Confederate flag ever fly over a ship used to fight against the rebellion that sought to defend slavery?
 
Is it really that simple though?

Why do you support denying people the right to fly the flag?

fly it on your own personal property, your cars, your choppers, etc. fly the Nazi flag with it for all I care, plus the old South African flag and the flag of the USSR.

just don't fly it on govt. property.
 
This is an interesting subject because symbols do hold power...and the confederate flag was the symbol of a nation that fought in part to continue the institution of slavery.
 
err....did the Confederate flag ever fly over a ship used to fight against the rebellion that sought to defend slavery?

It wasn't a rebellion, it was a legal succession. There were many causes of which slavery was one. Slavery was still practiced and supported and legal in states that flew the US flag and fought the CSA. There is no arguing about that. Those are facts.
 
This is an interesting subject because symbols do hold power...and the confederate flag was the symbol of a nation that fought in part to continue the institution of slavery.

The North continued slavery. It is well established that the North and the South would have ended slavery...as all slave trading nations had before them. To say that the South fought for the primary purpose of enslavement of Africans is at best the opinion of the uninformed.
 
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It wasn't a rebellion, it was a legal succession. There were many causes of which slavery was one. Slavery was still practiced and supported and legal in states that flew the US flag and fought the CSA. There is no arguing about that. Those are facts.

please name the states that still practised slavery after the Civil War began.

please name the states that still practised slavery after the Emancipation Proclamation.

and no, the seccesion of the CSA states was illegal & unConstitutional, as the Constitution makes NO provisions for a state or any other piece of American territory being able to secede from the Union.
 
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