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Ockham said:
It's surprising actually --- and calls into question what I was taught in school. I know for a fact I wasn't taught that the first black slave owners was himself black. I knew that slavers on ships who were gathering slaves were themselves africans and gathered them to be sold. I thought very much like liblady did - that if there were black slave owners, 99% of them were that in title only as after they were freed, they would purchase their family members and free them as well. But what I'm reading today was NOT in my grade school or High School history books - or College for that matter.
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Umm, Anthony Johnson wasn't the first slaveowner. The link makes that clear, but I don't expect the rightwingers to be honest about that fact.

Early in 1620, Johnson was captured by slave traders in his native land of Angola and sold to a merchant belonging to the Virginia Company.[1] He arrived in Virginia in 1621 aboard the James. At this time he was known in the records as "Antonio, a Negro".[2] Johnson was sold to a white planter named Bennet to work on his Virginia tobacco farm.
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justabubba said:
answer your question
how many trillions of dollars did Obama send to islamic nations since he has been president?
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Even if it was just a single U.S Dollar....It's would be too much.

Sand flies are not worth it....Most of the money he sent went from one hand, to another hand, to the hands of Islamic extreamist. Why do you think they are still today un-beaten. It is known that our troops have and are being killed with American made arms.
To many nieve, ignorant people just don't know the truth.
Like horses wearing blinders, the see what they can only see.
 
sangha said:
Umm, Anthony Johnson wasn't the first slaveowner. The link makes that clear, but I don't expect the rightwingers to be honest about that fact.
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Slavery was officially established in Virginia in 1654, when Anthony Johnson convinced a court that his servant (also a black man), John Casor, was his for life. Johnson himself had been brought to Virginia some years earlier as an indentured servant (a contracted person who must work from five to seven years for no wages in exchange for food and shelter before being freed) but he saved enough money to buy out the remainder of his contract and that of his wife. The court ruled in Johnson’s favor, and the first state-recognized slave existed in Virginia.
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It pays to read the entire article.
 
dixiesolutions said:
Even if it was just a single U.S Dollar....It's would be too much.

Sand flies are not worth it....Most of the money he sent went from one hand, to another hand, to the hands of Islamic extreamist. Why do you think they are still today un-beaten. It is known that our troops have and are being killed with American made arms.
To many nieve, ignorant people just don't know the truth.
Like hoses wearing blinders, the see what they can only see.
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But it was OK when bush* and the republicans did it :roll:

The dishonesty of the rightwing never ends.

Reagan sent Stingers to the Iranian terrorists, and the rightwing never complained. bush* sent trillions to islamic nations, and the rightwing never complained.

It's only wrong when a dem president does it.
 
sangha said:
But it was OK when bush* and the republicans did it :roll:

The dishonesty of the rightwing never ends.

Reagan sent Stingers to the Iranian terrorists, and the rightwing never complained. bush* sent trillions to islamic nations, and the rightwing never complained.

It's only wrong when a dem president does it.
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Obama in just 3 years has spent and given away more U.S. dollars, than the past 5 president combined.
Where the hell have you been?
 
Ockham said:
It's surprising actually --- and calls into question what I was taught in school. I know for a fact I wasn't taught that the first black slave owners was himself black. I knew that slavers on ships who were gathering slaves were themselves africans and gathered them to be sold. I thought very much like liblady did - that if there were black slave owners, 99% of them were that in title only as after they were freed, they would purchase their family members and free them as well. But what I'm reading today was NOT in my grade school or High School history books - or College for that matter.
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Here's a teacher's guide to the Anthony Johnson story. Notice anything missing?
 
Ockham said:
I do in fact, see some missing information.... a very good explanation as to why I didn't know this and why it all seems so very very new.

Is this a current Teachers Guide? And if you don't mind --- just tell me the State in which it's used?
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It's an online teacher's resource, meant for a teacher covering that part of American History and looking for information on the web. There are lots of online sources, some with detailed lesson plans. It's a great resource, but, like other things on the web, not to be taken as the final word.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Here it is. Anthony Johnson, himself a former slave, became the first slave owner in the colonies when he owned one John Casor.

The first slaver was a black man. Interesting bit of history, isn't it?
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How was he the first slave owner if he's a former slave? Wouldn't the "former slave" bit indicate that he was somebody's slave first?
 
rocket88 said:
How was he the first slave owner if he's a former slave? Wouldn't the "former slave" bit indicate that he was somebody's slave first?
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From the link:

During this time in the Virginia colony, the Africans were held in indentured servitude and were often released after a set period
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So, technically, he wasn't a slave, but an indentured servant.

Yes, it is kind of splitting hairs to call him the first slaver, but he was a slaver, and he was a black man.
 
Wiggen said:
There were no 'black soldiers' that fought alongside white soldiers - at least not in the confederacy. There were slave owners who rented their slaves to the confederate military, but the Conferate Congress didn't authorize black troops until March of 1865 - a month before the war ended. Try reading a little history before you make a fool of yourself.

Confederate Law authorizing the enlistment of black soldiers, March 13, 1865, as promulgated in a military order

You unreconstructed Rebels are a hoot. You got your asses handed to you because you went to war to protect your right to buy and sell other human beings. Great cause.
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March of 1865? Are you currently aware of when the Civil War ended? :lamo
 
Wiggen said:
There were no 'black soldiers' that fought alongside white soldiers - at least not in the confederacy. There were slave owners who rented their slaves to the confederate military, but the Conferate Congress didn't authorize black troops until March of 1865 - a month before the war ended. Try reading a little history before you make a fool of yourself.

Confederate Law authorizing the enlistment of black soldiers, March 13, 1865, as promulgated in a military order
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March of 1865? Are you currently aware of when the Civil War ended? :lamo

You unreconstructed Rebels are a hoot. You got your asses handed to you because you went to war to protect your right to buy and sell other human beings. Great cause.
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Reconstructed rebel? hardly! In actuality, I'm a country ass nigger from north Louisiana--whose ggg-grandfather was a slave at Kateland Plantation in Rapides Parish and I have the docs to prove it--that is hitorically literate and isn't fooled anymore by the bull**** revisionist hitory that your side wants us to believe.

Let's stop acting like black soldiers got a great shake from the United States, since while in service to the U.S. Army, they were in segregated units and either used for forced labor at Hilton Head, or as cannon fodder at places like Fort Wagner in South Carolina, where the 54th Mass. took 99% casualties, or Slaughter's Field, at Port Hudson, where 600 black soldiers were used as bullet stoppers by Banks, when probing the Confederate lines.

You wanna keep living a lie? That's your business. Keep one thing in mind while doing so: you disgrace the sacrifice of every black soldier that has ever worn the uniform of an American soldier and sacrificed his life to protect his home.
 
apdst said:
First, you have to separate yourself from the fiction that all blacks in the South were slaves. After that, it will be easier to accept the fact that black soldiers served in the ranks, along with white soldiers.

The Confederate Army had desegregated units before the United States Army, by nearly 100 years.

It's just history, friend, nothing to be afraid of.
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Again, you simply ignore the history of the United States and instead prefer some alternate version of Rebel nonsense. I just provided you with a copy of the Act by the confederate Congress that authorized black troops one frickin' month before the war ended. What is it that you don't understand?
 
apdst said:
March of 1865? Are you currently aware of when the Civil War ended? :lamo
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Yes, April of 1865. So the great Confederacy, running out of soldiers and having its ass kicked, decided to swallow its pride and enlist black troops. The condition was that they might be freed by their masters after the war if they did a good job! You folks are amazing!

You had them for less than one month. Maybe you could blame your defeat on them?
 
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dixiesolutions said:
Obama in just 3 years has spent and given away more U.S. dollars, than the past 5 president combined.
Where the hell have you been?
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God I wish you guys had succeeded and formed your own country. We'd have insisted you couldn't have any more slaves, of course, but it would have been worth it just to be rid of you.
 
apdst said:
March of 1865? Are you currently aware of when the Civil War ended? :lamo




Reconstructed rebel? hardly! In actuality, I'm a country ass nigger from north Louisiana--whose ggg-grandfather was a slave at Kateland Plantation in Rapides Parish and I have the docs to prove it--that is hitorically literate and isn't fooled anymore by the bull**** revisionist hitory that your side wants us to believe.

Let's stop acting like black soldiers got a great shake from the United States, since while in service to the U.S. Army, they were in segregated units and either used for forced labor at Hilton Head, or as cannon fodder at places like Fort Wagner in South Carolina, where the 54th Mass. took 99% casualties, or Slaughter's Field, at Port Hudson, where 600 black soldiers were used as bullet stoppers by Banks, when probing the Confederate lines.

You wanna keep living a lie? That's your business. Keep one thing in mind while doing so: you disgrace the sacrifice of every black soldier that has ever worn the uniform of an American soldier and sacrificed his life to protect his home.
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At least they weren't slaves. Your position is bizarre, but then there were Jews that worked for the Nazis, believing that they might live a little longer if they did so. Any black man today who defends the Confederacy and slavery is nuts.
 
OscarB63 said:
some people seem to think that indentured servant = slave
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Indentured servitude, as practiced in those times, was a form of slavery. Thanks for showing that rightwingers don't understand what slavery is
 
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Dittohead not! said:
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So, technically, he wasn't a slave, but an indentured servant.

Yes, it is kind of splitting hairs to call him the first slaver, but he was a slaver, and he was a black man.
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Indentured servitude is not necesarily slavery, but as it was practiced at that time, it is considered slavery. He was a slave before he owned slaves. The claim that the first slave owner was black is just one in a long list of racist rightwing lies
 
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sangha said:
Indentured servitude, as practiced in those times, was a form of slavery. Thanks for showing that rightwingers don't understand what slavery is
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one of the more intriguing aspects of the book how the irish became white was the discussion about slave owners who also had indentured servants
when it came time to perform the most dangerous duties, where the risk of life and limb was the greatest, the slave owner sent the indentured servant to perform that risky task
that way, if the indentured servant was killed or maimed, the slave holder only lost a few years of work output. not true of his slaves if he sent them, instead

we now return you to the thread topic that was in progress before this derailment
 
Dittohead not! said:
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So, technically, he wasn't a slave, but an indentured servant.

Yes, it is kind of splitting hairs to call him the first slaver, but he was a slaver, and he was a black man.
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Actually, in the beginning, white and black indentured servants worked together, and lived together, on plantations. It was only when some of them began intermarrying that indentured servitude was no longer an option for a few blacks, and all blacks became slaves.
 
sangha said:
Indentured servitude, as practiced in those times, was a form of slavery. Thanks for showing that rightwingers don't understand what slavery is
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gads, you guys will go to any lengths to deny the truth won't you?

don't like the definition of a word? no problem, just change it to suit your argument.

indentured servitude was not slavery. sorry....you lose.....again
 
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