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Perry once defended Confederate symbols

apdst said:
It would destroy the bull**** version of history they learned and force them admit that their passions have been misguided for a very long time.

You know damn well, they'll never mention black soldiers that fought along side white soldiers, during the war.
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yeah....about 15 of them.
 
I don't see the Stars and Bars as representing Slavery any longer. I believe to the People who either flay or have it on a wall in the house it's about being a Rebel form the South.

Yes there are some who are Racist who fly in like Biker Gangs and the KKK.

Everyone knows that Pirates were ruthless cut throats with little regard for human life, so why is it the Oakland Raiders logo does not generate protests?
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I am not defending Perry as I know how what it means to Black people I am just saying that not everyone sees it that way.
 
liblady said:
becasue they didn't own them to "own" them.....
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they participated in the full slave economy. For example, a freedman named Cyprian Ricard purchased an estate in Louisiana that included 100 slaves
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poor widdle wiberwal, anything to avoid painting negores as anything other than a victim.

and, afterall, isn't that the entire objective of the left? keep telling black folks how unfair the system is, keep telling them they are victims, keep telling them that they can never accomplish anything without the assistance of the democrats?
 
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apdst said:
Oh, was that how it worked?!? :lamo

I would love to see something other than an internet blog to support that bull****.
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Are there any credible historians who verify this? I mean, such a thing should be one of those "eye opening" portions of history that should be fairly sought after.
 
Wiggen said:
Absolute unreconstructed rebel fiction. You want us to believe that blacks enjoyed being bought and sold and raped and murdered so much they couldn't wait to risk their lives to ensure that it continued?
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First, you have to separate yourself from the fiction that all blacks in the South were slaves. After that, it will be easier to accept the fact that black soldiers served in the ranks, along with white soldiers.

The Confederate Army had desegregated units before the United States Army, by nearly 100 years.

It's just history, friend, nothing to be afraid of.
 
OscarB63 said:
over 2000 free blacks in Louisianna joined the confederate army and fought against the union.
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that's just not true, oscar. they were members of a militia, not the confederate army. most scholars do not believe a significant number of free blacks served in the army. this seems to be an unbiased article:

Heritage
 
Ockham said:
Are there any credible historians who verify this? I mean, such a thing should be one of those "eye opening" portions of history that should be fairly sought after.
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look up Cyprian Ricard, freedman who bought a plantation in Louisianna that had 100 slaves. I'm sure he didn't own them in order to "own" them.


any more than the blacks in africa who sold the slaves to whitey owned them in order to "own" them.
 
liblady said:
that's just not true, oscar. they were members of a militia, not the confederate army. most scholars do not believe a significant number of free blacks served in the army. this seems to be an unbiased article:

Heritage
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ah, even better. they were part of the volunteer militia and not the paid army. they fought for the south for free.
 
Ockham said:
Are there any credible historians who verify this? I mean, such a thing should be one of those "eye opening" portions of history that should be fairly sought after.
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There are entries in The Official Record of The War of The Rebellion documenting black soldiers serving in Confederate units.

In 1861, the Tennessee legislature allowed for the enlistment of freed men into state military service.

SECTION 1: Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Tennessee, That from and after the passage of this act, the Governor shall be, and he is hereby authorized, at his discretion, to receive into the military service of the State, all male free persons of color between the ages of fifteen (15) and fifty (5)) years-or such number as may be necessary, who may be sound in his mind and body, and capable of actual service.

Public acts of the State of ... - Tennessee - Google Books
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apdst said:
There are entries in The Official Record of The War of The Rebellion documenting black soldiers serving in Confederate units.

In 1861, the Tennessee legislature allowed for the enlistment of freed men into state military service.
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damn, I hate it when those pesky facts gets in the way of a good liberal argument
 
liblady said:
that's just not true, oscar. they were members of a militia, not the confederate army. most scholars do not believe a significant number of free blacks served in the army. this seems to be an unbiased article:

Heritage
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Oh, so now they didn't serve in, "significant", numbers?

But, you admit that they did serve in the Confederate Army, yes?
 
apdst said:
First, you have to separate yourself from the fiction that all blacks in the South were slaves. After that, it will be easier to accept the fact that black soldiers served in the ranks, along with white soldiers.

The Confederate Army had desegregated units before the United States Army, by nearly 100 years.

It's just history, friend, nothing to be afraid of.
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plain not true....please provide proof of your assertion. there may have been a very small number actually fighting maybe 15 in louisiana), most were servants. the native guard was not part of the confederate army, and no whites belonged.
 
OscarB63 said:
damn, I hate it when those pesky facts gets in the way of a good liberal argument
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Actual historical facts are a real bitch for your average Lefty.
 
liblady said:
plain not true....please provide proof of your assertion. there may have been a very small number actually fighting maybe 15 in louisiana), most were servants. the native guard was not part of the confederate army, and no whites belonged.
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Here is more:

"The Petersburg Express is informed by Lieut. Daniels, who has just arrived at Petersburg from Fort Norfolk, that some 35 or 40 Southern negroes, captured at Gettysburg, are confined at Fort McHenry. He says that they profess an undying attachment to the South. Several times Gen. Schenck has offered to release them from the Fort, if they would take the oath of allegiance to the Federal Government and join the Lincoln army. They had peremptorily refused in every instance, and claim that they should be restored to their masters and homes in the South. They say they would prefer death to liberty on the terms proposed by Schneck."

Prisoners of War | Black Confederate Soldiers | American Civil War

http://valley.lib.virginia.edu/newspapers_pdfs/ss1863/va.au.ss.1863.10.13.pdf
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apdst said:
I would teach them about the Native Guard units, but I'm sure it would be a waste of time.
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perhaps someone else could teach you:

The South did not use this Confederate Native Guard regiment in any military action, and failed to provide it with uniforms or arms. Most of the men in the unit used their own resources to obtain weapons and uniforms which were displayed in a parade in New Orleans on January 8, 1862.[3] It was largely considered part of the Confederacy's "public relations" campaign. The Native Guard tried to gain notoriety by offering their service to escort Union prisoners, captured from Manassas, through New Orleans. Despite the Confederacy choosing white militiamen instead, the Native Guard still participated in two other grand reviews. When the Louisiana State Legislature passed a law in January 1862 that reorganized the militia by conscripting “all the free white males capable of bearing arms… irrespective of nationality”, the 1st Louisiana Native Guard was also affected. It was forced to disband on February 15, 1862, and many of its white officers reassigned to the new Confederate regiments.

1st Louisiana Native Guard (CSA) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
another thing you never see mentioned is that the slaves in america were treated better by their white masters than they had been by their black masters in Africa.

slaves were relatively expensive and not easy to replace. it was in the american slave owner's interest to take care of the slaves. there was no such restraint in Africa, plenty of negroes in the next village over for the black slavers to raid and sell.
 
apdst said:
Here is more:
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this by no means proves they fought with white soliders, or indeed, fought at all. there were blacks in the confederate army, mostly servants.
 
liblady said:
perhaps someone else could teach you:

The South did not use this Confederate Native Guard regiment in any military action, and failed to provide it with uniforms or arms. Most of the men in the unit used their own resources to obtain weapons and uniforms which were displayed in a parade in New Orleans on January 8, 1862.[3] It was largely considered part of the Confederacy's "public relations" campaign. The Native Guard tried to gain notoriety by offering their service to escort Union prisoners, captured from Manassas, through New Orleans. Despite the Confederacy choosing white militiamen instead, the Native Guard still participated in two other grand reviews. When the Louisiana State Legislature passed a law in January 1862 that reorganized the militia by conscripting “all the free white males capable of bearing arms… irrespective of nationality”, the 1st Louisiana Native Guard was also affected. It was forced to disband on February 15, 1862, and many of its white officers reassigned to the new Confederate regiments.

1st Louisiana Native Guard (CSA) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Sooooooo...at what point do you think you're disproving what I'm telling you?

The claim, til now, has been: NO black ever served in the Confederate Army. Your own source proves that not to be true.
 
liblady said:
this by no means proves they fought with white soliders, or indeed, fought at all. there were blacks in the confederate army, mostly servants.
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Serving in the army is restricted to fighting in a combat arm. Are you saying that modern soldiers, who don't participate in actual combat, aren't serving their country? Cooks, mechanics, clerks, etc.?
 
apdst said:
Sooooooo...at what point do you think you're disproving what I'm telling you?

The claim, til now, has been: NO black ever served in the Confederate Army. Your own source proves that not to be true.
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notice how the argument changes as you disprove it.

1st it was no black ever was in the confederate army. disproved so the argument became, no black ever served in the confederate army. disproved, so now the argument is no black ever fought for the confederate army.

wonder what it will shift to when that one is disproven?
 
apdst said:
Serving in the army is restricted to fighting in a combat arm. Are you saying that modern soldiers, who don't participate in actual combat, aren't serving their country? Cooks, mechanics, clerks, etc.?
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any quibble to avoid admitting they are full of crap. typical.
 
OscarB63 said:
notice how the argument changes as you disprove it.

1st it was no black ever was in the confederate army. disproved so the argument became, no black ever served in the confederate army. disproved, so now the argument is no black ever fought for the confederate army.

wonder what it will shift to when that one is disproven?
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oh yeah! I'm seeing that! :lamo
 
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