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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Oh and,

    Thunder said:
    yes, the CSA kept their slaves even AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation, which vioated federal law.
    The CSA didn't violate federal law. They had long before seceded.










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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Tough ****. Cry me a river. Human dignity & freedom is more important that than the cotton industry.

    You can't say that the North fought to free the slaves and do it with a straight face. The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't issued until the last year of the war and it freed the slaves in the South, not the North. Northern slaves weren't freed until after the war.

    Hindsight shows that industrial technology was going to make slavery uneconomical anyway, but they didn't know it at the time.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    ...What you will not find is any mention of secession. The union was an agreement among states, not a binding law...
    wrong. we are not a union of separate states, like the EU. we are ONE nation. the states are now simply administrative districts, for the purposes of bureaucracy.

    no provisions in the Constitution were made for the states' right to secede, because they all understood that when you ratified the Constitution you were not joining a Confederation of quasi-sovereign states, but one nation. All aspects of sovereignty were gone, including the right to print money, make treaties, appoint ambassadors, and secede.

    State secession is no more legal then that it is today.
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    Whatever about the "CSA" (and I thought that was just "community supported agriculture") and states rights hisorical rhetorical arguing- Bottom line is this is yet one more reason Rick Perry is completely unelectable. Mississippi, TX, et al. don't have the electors to get you to the whitehouse, and that confederate flag stuff doesn't fly too well in most of this country. Especially when you add it to the "Niggerhead Rock" story out this week. This sounds like the Perry death knell from where I sit.

    Sorry to bring it back to the 21st century...
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    wrong. we are not a union of separate states, like the EU. we are ONE nation. the states are now simply administrative districts, for the purposes of bureaucracy.
    I thought we were talking about the Confederate States of America. Which are you talking about? I've been arguing the legality of the South's secession. You are talking about current status of the union. I am confused.

    no provisions in the Constitution were made for the states' right to secede, because they all understood that when you ratified the Constitution you were not joining a Confederation of quasi-sovereign states, but one nation. All aspects of sovereignty were gone, including the right to print money, make treaties, appoint ambassadors, and secede.
    Proof? You haven't any. If you do, pony it up.

    While you scramble madly to backfill the whole you are digging search too for the Treaty of Paris 1783.

    State secession is no more legal then that it is today.
    And we are to take you at your word or can you cite references for any of the pap and drivel falling from your lips?










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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    ...Proof? You haven't any. If you do, pony it up....
    I have the US Constitution sitting in front of me. Please cite the Article & Section that stipulates how a state might go about seceding from the Union. Thanks.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    I don't think there's anything to this story except what the credulous and those who rush to judgment make of it. If you can find evidence that Perry is a racist, please produce it. His father joining a hunting lease that had an old rock with an offensive word on it on the land just doesn't do it for me.

    If you're aware of racist political decisions that Perry has made or racist remarks, I'd be interested to learn what they are.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    Eventually you have no clue about American history.

    The Confederate Flag is the Symbol of the South....Except it.

    There are many other countries around the world, that have old flags flying in cities from past historical meanings. In England, Italy, France, Germany. They have many more flags flying on their goverment properties, besides their primary national flag.

    So get over it. Go eat an ice cream cone
    LOL, he has admitted he never heard of the FDR court packing scheme after denying my claim FDR threatened the USSC



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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    The Emancipation Proclamation-as I recall-only applied to the confederacy



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