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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I am really torn on this one. True, the Confederate flag represents slavery to most people, as the primary purpose in the South's secession was their insistence that they had the right to slavery. But it goes much deeper than that. The Stars and Bars also represents the South's view that the North supported slavery too.... The kind of slavery that comes with one region imposing it's will on another. Yea, I know, I know, it's not the same thing, but there was a culture in the South that saw the big Government of the North as a dictator. In that sense, the Confederate flag represents small government. From the Revolution onward, the South was the poster child for smaller government, and has always been.

    To the KKK'ers who fly the Confederate flag, **** you. I know what kind of people you are. To the others who fly it, you have my blessing. I understand that the Confederate flag represents a philosophy of smaller government that is returning, after having been.... gone with the wind.... Yea, had to rip that line to set up my closing statement. As much as I detest Rick Perry, I see no problem with his supporting Confederate symbols. As for the politically correct who want to ban those symbols, frankly, I don't give a damn.

    Article is here.
    The Confederate Flag that is commonly flown is the "war flag" of the Southern States and therefore, it represents treason.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    ...3. Like it or not, it does represent a historically significant people, that to us, has put forth a traditional "against all odds" spirit.
    funny, I always felt that way about the brave African-Americans who fought against the brutality of slavery.

    John Brown & Nat Turner are heroes of mine.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    funny, I always felt that way about the brave African-Americans who fought against the brutality of slavery.

    John Brown & Nat Turner are heroes of mine.
    John Brown was white.


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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    John Brown was white.
    yes, I know this. I also know that he led insurrections against slavery.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    make no mistake, slavery was THE underlying issue which divided the nation
    state's rights was only an argument used in the defense of slavery
    Slavery was a part of state's rights then. The southern slave states had fought to maintain a balance between free and slave states, i.e. an equal number. The Missouri Compromise permitted slavery in the Louisiana Purchase south of the Missouri border. The Compromise of 1850 allowed unorganized lands, largely Arizona and New Mexico to decide locally if they wanted to be free or slave. The Kansas-Nebraska act essentially repealed the Missouri Compromise and resulted in widespread campaigning and violence in Kansas to determine whether they would be free or slave. But the south was losing both in the number of states = Senators, and in population density, which = Representatives.

    The southern states were largely agrarian at that time, which made slavery profitable, while the north was more heavily industrialized, which didn't favor slavery. From the southern point of view, if slavery was abolished, it would wreck their economy. So they saw no choice but to secede.



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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    ...From the southern point of view, if slavery was abolished, it would wreck their economy. So they saw no choice but to secede....
    Tough ****. Cry me a river. Human dignity & freedom is more important that than the cotton industry.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I am really torn on this one. True, the Confederate flag represents slavery to most people, as the primary purpose in the South's secession was their insistence that they had the right to slavery. But it goes much deeper than that. The Stars and Bars also represents the South's view that the North supported slavery too.... The kind of slavery that comes with one region imposing it's will on another. Yea, I know, I know, it's not the same thing, but there was a culture in the South that saw the big Government of the North as a dictator. In that sense, the Confederate flag represents small government. From the Revolution onward, the South was the poster child for smaller government, and has always been.

    To the KKK'ers who fly the Confederate flag, **** you. I know what kind of people you are. To the others who fly it, you have my blessing. I understand that the Confederate flag represents a philosophy of smaller government that is returning, after having been.... gone with the wind.... Yea, had to rip that line to set up my closing statement. As much as I detest Rick Perry, I see no problem with his supporting Confederate symbols. As for the politically correct who want to ban those symbols, frankly, I don't give a damn.

    Article is here.
    When the war began, the north had slaves. It was legal.

    The war was about trade.

    Freeing slaves was just a political tool for victory, not the product of some ethical/spiritual/moral evolutionary leap.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, I know this. I also know that he led insurrections against slavery.
    I believe he led just one. And was captured by the Marines and hanged for his crime.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Tough ****. Cry me a river. Human dignity & freedom is more important that than the cotton industry.
    There was a much deeper economic battle going on long before the south told the north to go suck a rock. The north's move away from slavery was purely economic.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, the CSA kept their slaves even AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation, which vioated federal law.

    Please show us where the United States Constitution provides for any states or other territories to secede from the nation.
    It doesn't nor does it state that secession was against the law. It therefore cannot have been illegal as there was no law preventing it.

    I would point your attention to the Constitution to Article 1, Section. There you will find all delegated authority assigned to the federal government. What you will not find is any mention of secession. The union was an agreement among states, not a binding law.

    The good people of the South had the Declaration of Independence to provide them guidance in making the monumental decision to leave the union:

    " that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government "

    And that is what Dixie did.










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