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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Ordinances of Secession

    from the Texas declaration of secession:

    WHEREAS, The recent developments in Federal affairs make it evident that the power of the Federal Government is sought to be made a weapon with which to strike down the interests and property of the people of Texas, and her sister slave-holding States, instead of permitting it to be, as was intended, our shield against outrage and aggression; THEREFORE,

    from the Virginia declaration of secession:

    and the Federal Government having perverted said powers not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States

    ...yeah, slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War.

    I don't recall anyone saying that slavery had nothing to do with the CW. It did. However it was only part of the reason for the CW.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

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    In my humble opinion, Southerners fly the Rebel flag to thumb their noses at the North and at blacks.

    Yes, I have seen the photos of a few black folks actually waving this flag. I don't think they understand what they are doing.

    Living in WV for a year gave me enough experience with folks who love the Rebel flag, to understand what their motivations are.
    I don't have any way of knowing what-all your experiences are. But if they're limited to one year in West Virginia and, I'm guessing, one town and one neighborhood--in other words, a very small sample, your experience may really be limited.

    I don't fly the "Confederate Flag," but I have one that was given to me after a reenactment quite a few years ago. It's always been folded in a drawer. I have an expensive print that I inherited of Jeb Stuart--"The Last Cavalier"--hanging in my living room, and a small framed collection of mini-balls, bullets, and brass from The Battle of Pleasant Hill. Some of my family are buried right alongside the slender CSA markers. Some of my other relatives are buried where they were born "up North."

    It's complicated. Sure, there are a few you'd brand as "rednecks" or worse who have decals on their trucks or as buckles on their belts. But you're no different than those you're lumping everybody else in with if you really, really think that it's all about racism.

    And about that, I guess you don't really how incredibly patronizing you sound when you say that "black folks...don't understand what they're doing."

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    As always with this discussion, there are those who understand and those that will never accept what the Confederation and the symbol of the Confederacy means.

    1. It's regional pride, Southerns have more in common with each other, than they do with the rest of this nation, it's almost an ethnicity.
    2. It represents a "**** the police", anti authority mentality.
    3. Like it or not, it does represent a historically significant people, that to us, has put forth a traditional "against all odds" spirit.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    It is all of those things, which begs the question, why fly it at the site of the very things the confederacy fought against?

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    It is all of those things, which begs the question, why fly it at the site of the very things the confederacy fought against?
    The state capital isn't what they fought against.
    They fought against federal control.

    It signifies that the South is a somewhat different animal than the rest of the U.S., for better or for worse.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    I don't know. I mean, I'm from SC, and I remember the big crap fest they had a couple decades ago or so about flying that flag over Columbia, the capital. I never got it then, and I still don't get it now. Fly it in a museum if it has historical significance, and fly it in your front lawn if it has any other meaning. Why seek to impose your historical opinions, or sentimental values on other people? You can argue all day long about whether Lincoln was the savior to the blacks that the history books I read in school portrayed him as, or if he was a misguided tyrant, as a much more exhaustive historical investigation might reveal him to be...All the more reason, I say, to NOT fly the flag over tax funded properties. I mean, you can't have religious symbols, the supreme court DID rule on that one.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    please name the states that still practised slavery after the Civil War began.
    Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    please name the states that still practised slavery after the Emancipation Proclamation.
    The Emancipation Proclamation only applied to the rebelling states. It didn't do anything to slavery in the Border States.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I don't know. I mean, I'm from SC, and I remember the big crap fest they had a couple decades ago or so about flying that flag over Columbia, the capital. I never got it then, and I still don't get it now. Fly it in a museum if it has historical significance, and fly it in your front lawn if it has any other meaning. Why seek to impose your historical opinions, or sentimental values on other people? You can argue all day long about whether Lincoln was the savior to the blacks that the history books I read in school portrayed him as, or if he was a misguided tyrant, as a much more exhaustive historical investigation might reveal him to be...All the more reason, I say, to NOT fly the flag over tax funded properties. I mean, you can't have religious symbols, the supreme court DID rule on that one.
    It represents a regional ethnicity.
    The South for all intents, is a separate ethnic group, having it's own culture and values.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I don't know. I mean, I'm from SC, and I remember the big crap fest they had a couple decades ago or so about flying that flag over Columbia, the capital. I never got it then, and I still don't get it now. Fly it in a museum if it has historical significance, and fly it in your front lawn if it has any other meaning. Why seek to impose your historical opinions, or sentimental values on other people? You can argue all day long about whether Lincoln was the savior to the blacks that the history books I read in school portrayed him as, or if he was a misguided tyrant, as a much more exhaustive historical investigation might reveal him to be...All the more reason, I say, to NOT fly the flag over tax funded properties. I mean, you can't have religious symbols, the supreme court DID rule on that one.
    That past is what makes up today. Without it we cannot learn. Without it we have no identity. Without it we are nothing. It defines us and makes us who we are, not just on a personal level but also on a socital level as well. As such we must always be reminded or we are doomed as a society.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It represents a regional ethnicity.
    The South for all intents, is a separate ethnic group, having it's own culture and values.
    what an idiotic thing to say. what are the South's values...as opposd to the North's? racism?

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