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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Live Free View Post
    Is it really that simple though?

    Why do you support denying people the right to fly the flag?
    fly it on your own personal property, your cars, your choppers, etc. fly the Nazi flag with it for all I care, plus the old South African flag and the flag of the USSR.

    just don't fly it on govt. property.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    This is an interesting subject because symbols do hold power...and the confederate flag was the symbol of a nation that fought in part to continue the institution of slavery.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    err....did the Confederate flag ever fly over a ship used to fight against the rebellion that sought to defend slavery?
    It wasn't a rebellion, it was a legal succession. There were many causes of which slavery was one. Slavery was still practiced and supported and legal in states that flew the US flag and fought the CSA. There is no arguing about that. Those are facts.










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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    This is an interesting subject because symbols do hold power...and the confederate flag was the symbol of a nation that fought in part to continue the institution of slavery.
    The North continued slavery. It is well established that the North and the South would have ended slavery...as all slave trading nations had before them. To say that the South fought for the primary purpose of enslavement of Africans is at best the opinion of the uninformed.
    Last edited by Risky Thicket; 10-04-11 at 04:20 PM. Reason: Sorry, I misread Iliveonraman's post. He is correct as the South fought in part to continue slavery.










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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It wasn't a rebellion, it was a legal succession. There were many causes of which slavery was one. Slavery was still practiced and supported and legal in states that flew the US flag and fought the CSA. There is no arguing about that. Those are facts.
    please name the states that still practised slavery after the Civil War began.

    please name the states that still practised slavery after the Emancipation Proclamation.

    and no, the seccesion of the CSA states was illegal & unConstitutional, as the Constitution makes NO provisions for a state or any other piece of American territory being able to secede from the Union.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    The issues that lead to the Civil War are similar to the issues that had Rick Perry talking about Texas seceding.

    From about 1820 on, the federal government was dismantling the original idea of the US being a loose union of states under one umbrella (The Articles of Confederation 1777) Increasingly the federal government was passing laws that favored central government over state government control of things like taxes, industry, owning slaves, and dealings with other countries. This started about 1820 - long before the Civil war in the early 1860's. Abraham Lincoln ran on a platform of strong federal government during a period when tension were already high. When he won the election, several states attempted to leave the US because they knew that Lincoln was planning to use the federal government to override state laws to prevent them from keeping slaves, trading with Europe and other countries without the federal government's interference and forcing the south to sell their agricultural products (shelve-stable foods and cotton) to the north more cheaply than they could sell them to other countries. To say slavery was the primary issue just does not hold true. States right to sovereignty versus Federal right to rule states was the primary issue.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    please name the states that still practised slavery after the Civil War began.
    There were slaves in census records and listed as such, but damned if I can find it at the moment. I will look tonight and cite the reference.

    please name the states that still practised slavery after the Emancipation Proclamation.
    Southern States and some border states. Your point being?

    and no, the seccesion of the CSA states was illegal & unConstitutional, as the Constitution makes NO provisions for a state or any other piece of American territory being able to secede from the Union.
    No law against it? Indeed. Show me where it was forbidden in the Constitution.










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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I am really torn on this one. True, the Confederate flag represents slavery to most people, as the primary purpose in the South's secession was their insistence that they had the right to slavery. But it goes much deeper than that. The Stars and Bars also represents the South's view that the North supported slavery too.... The kind of slavery that comes with one region imposing it's will on another. Yea, I know, I know, it's not the same thing, but there was a culture in the South that saw the big Government of the North as a dictator. In that sense, the Confederate flag represents small government. From the Revolution onward, the South was the poster child for smaller government, and has always been.

    To the KKK'ers who fly the Confederate flag, **** you. I know what kind of people you are. To the others who fly it, you have my blessing. I understand that the Confederate flag represents a philosophy of smaller government that is returning, after having been.... gone with the wind.... Yea, had to rip that line to set up my closing statement. As much as I detest Rick Perry, I see no problem with his supporting Confederate symbols. As for the politically correct who want to ban those symbols, frankly, I don't give a damn.

    Article is here.
    The Confederate Flag (Old Dixie) was the Battle Flag of the South.....AWESOME FLAG.

    God Bless the Stars and Cross Bars.... AND GOD BLESS ALL THOSE THAT SHOW IT.
    Last edited by dixiesolutions; 10-04-11 at 05:04 PM.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    The Confederate Flag (Old Dixie) was the Battle Flag of the South..... It did not ever represent slavery.
    God Bless the Stars and Cross Bars. AND GOD BLESS ALL THOSE THAT SHOW IT.
    the South seceded because they didn't want the Federal govt. telling them they can't own slaves.

    slavery was the main cause of the Civil War, as you can see in many of the declarations of secession.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    ...Southern States and some border states. Your point being?

    No law against it? Indeed. Show me where it was forbidden in the Constitution.
    yes, the CSA kept their slaves even AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation, which vioated federal law.

    Please show us where the United States Constitution provides for any states or other territories to secede from the nation.

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