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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    the original topic of this post was that blacks owned slaves, and while a very few did, they did so for benevolent reasons. oscar and apdst both have their heads so far up their asses on this topic that they could chew their food twice.
    Actually that's not actually true. The below paper is heavily documented....

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    BLACK SLAVEOWNERS
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    In an 1856 letter to his wife Mary Custis Lee, Robert E. Lee
    called slavery "a moral and political evil." Yet he concluded that black slaves were immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally,
    socially and physically.
    The fact is large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves; in
    fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at
    large. In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According
    to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War,
    there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.
    The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000
    individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8
    percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).
    In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free
    Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the
    freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been
    unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is
    debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These
    include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more (2).
    According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were
    nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four
    million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.
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    It's not very well known and frankly, before today I didn't realize it either - but there it is.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Actually that's not actually true. The below paper is heavily documented....


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    It's not very well known and frankly, before today I didn't realize it either - but there it is.
    You didn't refute anything liblady claimed, or pointed out anything that isn't already well-known
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You didn't refute anything liblady claimed, or pointed out anything that isn't already well-known
    If you read the links posted, the Black Slave Owners identified did not do so for benevolent means only. Which is what I'm refuting and have done so.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    OK lets evaluate and compare this tiny tiny stipilation....

    Rick Perry once defended the Confederate Symbols.?
    Barrak Hussain Obama in just three years, has sent how many Trillions of our dollars to Muslim nations.?

    AWESOME.....Damn that Perry!!

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If you read the links posted, the Black Slave Owners identified did not do so for benevolent means only. Which is what I'm refuting and have done so.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Here it is. Anthony Johnson, himself a former slave, became the first slave owner in the colonies when he owned one John Casor.

    The first slaver was a black man. Interesting bit of history, isn't it?
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    OK lets evaluate and compare this tiny tiny stipilation....

    Rick Perry once defended the Confederate Symbols.?
    Barrak Hussain Obama in just three years, has sent how many Trillions of our dollars to Muslim nations.?

    AWESOME.....Damn that Perry!!

    answer your question
    how many trillions of dollars did Obama send to islamic nations since he has been president?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If you read the links posted, the Black Slave Owners identified did not do so for benevolent means only. Which is what I'm refuting and have done so.
    The plural of "anecdote" is not "statistics"
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Here it is. Anthony Johnson, himself a former slave, became the first slave owner in the colonies when he owned one John Casor.

    The first slaver was a black man. Interesting bit of history, isn't it?
    It's surprising actually --- and calls into question what I was taught in school. I know for a fact I wasn't taught that the first black slave owners was himself black. I knew that slavers on ships who were gathering slaves were themselves africans and gathered them to be sold. I thought very much like liblady did - that if there were black slave owners, 99% of them were that in title only as after they were freed, they would purchase their family members and free them as well. But what I'm reading today was NOT in my grade school or High School history books - or College for that matter.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    answer your question
    how many trillions of dollars did Obama send to islamic nations since he has been president?
    How many trillions did bush* send to islamic nations when he was president?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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