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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There are entries in The Official Record of The War of The Rebellion documenting black soldiers serving in Confederate units.

    In 1861, the Tennessee legislature allowed for the enlistment of freed men into state military service.
    damn, I hate it when those pesky facts gets in the way of a good liberal argument
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    that's just not true, oscar. they were members of a militia, not the confederate army. most scholars do not believe a significant number of free blacks served in the army. this seems to be an unbiased article:

    Heritage
    Oh, so now they didn't serve in, "significant", numbers?

    But, you admit that they did serve in the Confederate Army, yes?
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    First, you have to separate yourself from the fiction that all blacks in the South were slaves. After that, it will be easier to accept the fact that black soldiers served in the ranks, along with white soldiers.

    The Confederate Army had desegregated units before the United States Army, by nearly 100 years.

    It's just history, friend, nothing to be afraid of.
    plain not true....please provide proof of your assertion. there may have been a very small number actually fighting maybe 15 in louisiana), most were servants. the native guard was not part of the confederate army, and no whites belonged.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    damn, I hate it when those pesky facts gets in the way of a good liberal argument
    Actual historical facts are a real bitch for your average Lefty.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    plain not true....please provide proof of your assertion. there may have been a very small number actually fighting maybe 15 in louisiana), most were servants. the native guard was not part of the confederate army, and no whites belonged.
    hear ya go. Photos don't lie.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    plain not true....please provide proof of your assertion. there may have been a very small number actually fighting maybe 15 in louisiana), most were servants. the native guard was not part of the confederate army, and no whites belonged.
    Here is more:

    "The Petersburg Express is informed by Lieut. Daniels, who has just arrived at Petersburg from Fort Norfolk, that some 35 or 40 Southern negroes, captured at Gettysburg, are confined at Fort McHenry. He says that they profess an undying attachment to the South. Several times Gen. Schenck has offered to release them from the Fort, if they would take the oath of allegiance to the Federal Government and join the Lincoln army. They had peremptorily refused in every instance, and claim that they should be restored to their masters and homes in the South. They say they would prefer death to liberty on the terms proposed by Schneck."

    Prisoners of War | Black Confederate Soldiers | American Civil War

    http://valley.lib.virginia.edu/newsp...1863.10.13.pdf
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

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    I would teach them about the Native Guard units, but I'm sure it would be a waste of time.
    perhaps someone else could teach you:

    The South did not use this Confederate Native Guard regiment in any military action, and failed to provide it with uniforms or arms. Most of the men in the unit used their own resources to obtain weapons and uniforms which were displayed in a parade in New Orleans on January 8, 1862.[3] It was largely considered part of the Confederacy's "public relations" campaign. The Native Guard tried to gain notoriety by offering their service to escort Union prisoners, captured from Manassas, through New Orleans. Despite the Confederacy choosing white militiamen instead, the Native Guard still participated in two other grand reviews. When the Louisiana State Legislature passed a law in January 1862 that reorganized the militia by conscripting “all the free white males capable of bearing arms… irrespective of nationality”, the 1st Louisiana Native Guard was also affected. It was forced to disband on February 15, 1862, and many of its white officers reassigned to the new Confederate regiments.

    1st Louisiana Native Guard (CSA) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    another thing you never see mentioned is that the slaves in america were treated better by their white masters than they had been by their black masters in Africa.

    slaves were relatively expensive and not easy to replace. it was in the american slave owner's interest to take care of the slaves. there was no such restraint in Africa, plenty of negroes in the next village over for the black slavers to raid and sell.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Here is more:
    this by no means proves they fought with white soliders, or indeed, fought at all. there were blacks in the confederate army, mostly servants.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    perhaps someone else could teach you:

    The South did not use this Confederate Native Guard regiment in any military action, and failed to provide it with uniforms or arms. Most of the men in the unit used their own resources to obtain weapons and uniforms which were displayed in a parade in New Orleans on January 8, 1862.[3] It was largely considered part of the Confederacy's "public relations" campaign. The Native Guard tried to gain notoriety by offering their service to escort Union prisoners, captured from Manassas, through New Orleans. Despite the Confederacy choosing white militiamen instead, the Native Guard still participated in two other grand reviews. When the Louisiana State Legislature passed a law in January 1862 that reorganized the militia by conscripting “all the free white males capable of bearing arms… irrespective of nationality”, the 1st Louisiana Native Guard was also affected. It was forced to disband on February 15, 1862, and many of its white officers reassigned to the new Confederate regiments.

    1st Louisiana Native Guard (CSA) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Sooooooo...at what point do you think you're disproving what I'm telling you?

    The claim, til now, has been: NO black ever served in the Confederate Army. Your own source proves that not to be true.
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