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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Live Free View Post
    People have every right to fly the Confederate flag if they wish to do so. Over time the flag has been demonized and the people who wish to fly it called racists or ignorant. People often forget that Abraham Lincoln ran a tyranny that suspended freedoms such as Habeas Corpus that should never have been suspended. The Southern states had a right to secession according to the US Constitution (remember that thing?). He invaded a country that had been sovereign since before he was even inaugurated and is responsible for the bloodiest war in American history with over 600,000 killed and countless wounded and with their lives destroyed.

    And even in 2011 people are frowned upon and attacked for flying a flag representing that sovereign country.
    California flies the flag of the Bear Flag Republic every day. It represents a foreign nation that voluntarily gave up its independence to join the union.

    The Confederate Flag represents the old ante bellum south, and all that it stood for. It came to represent the resistance to civil rights. It is a symbol, yes, but of what? Small government?

    or a state government that wanted to take away all of the rights of certain people?
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    While I support the rights of citizens to do whatever they want with the Confederate flag, it really shouldn't be hung in government buildings.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Much like how marriage vows say "until death do we part" but people get divorced all the time.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    When the war began, the north had slaves. It was legal.

    The war was about trade.

    Freeing slaves was just a political tool for victory, not the product of some ethical/spiritual/moral evolutionary leap.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Umm, you do know that TX lost that one, don't you?
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    California flies the flag of the Bear Flag Republic every day. It represents a foreign nation that voluntarily gave up its independence to join the union.

    The Confederate Flag represents the old ante bellum south, and all that it stood for. It came to represent the resistance to civil rights. It is a symbol, yes, but of what? Small government?

    or a state government that wanted to take away all of the rights of certain people?
    It's not the same flag. The flag flown today is not the flag of the Bear State Rebellion; it's the State Flag of CA
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Much like how marriage vows say "until death do we part" but people get divorced all the time.
    That's a religious vow, not a legal one
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    . It is well established that the North and the South would have ended slavery...as all slave trading nations had before them.
    Please provide some form of justification. Also...slavery was ended everywhere with the 13th Amendment....I think you're alluding to the Emancipation Proclamation which was basically an executive order and only applied to occupied territorries.
    To say that the South fought for the primary purpose of enslavement of Africans is at best the opinion of the uninformed.
    Yes, i know, tariffs, agrarian society, states rights. The fact is, confederate leaders stated the reason for seccession as being slavery. It's been this revisionist softer southern history that's created this states rights movement.

    Texas declaration of Secession
    that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator,

    Mississippi declaration of Secession
    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

    South Carolina
    The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.


    ......you get the point.

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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's a religious vow, not a legal one
    I was legally married by a Justice of the Peace in a CA court house for $70. I wouldn't become a Christian or even somewhat religious for another 5-6 years. I had to recite the vows given by the Justice of the Peace (not a religious official), and that vow said in part "till death do us part". We both said it, and it was not religious.

    Even similar vows said in churches with marriages solemnized by religious officials, the terms of the vow are still legally binding and can be enforced; especially if you're Catholic.
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    Re: Perry once defended Confederate symbols

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I was legally married by a Justice of the Peace in a CA court house for $70. I wouldn't become a Christian or even somewhat religious for another 5-6 years. I had to recite the vows given by the Justice of the Peace (not a religious official), and that vow said in part "till death do us part". We both said it, and it was not religious.
    Your marriage was a legal marriage. The vow is not a legal vow.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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