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    Re: In Italy a prosecutor can appeal an acquittal? WTF?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I have plenty of complaints about the American justice system, but I'm glad we don't allow prosecutors to appeal acquittals.

    Prosecutor to appeal Amanda Knox's acquittal - World news - Europe - msnbc.com
    She was not acquitted.

    She was accused of several things including slander. On the slander charge she was found guilty and sentenced to 3 years. She already had been in jail for 4. On the murder charges the court did not find the physical evidence to mandate a guilty verdict and hence overturned the original judgement. Then she was released. It is fully with in the right of the system to appeal said ruling to the highest court in Italy and that is what they have done. But because she severed the time she was convicted on then, she is a free woman till the appeal on the murder charges and evidence has been heard by the Italian supreme court.

    Now of course the Italians have to go through extradition to get her back, but that wont stop them from appealing the ruling. Remember they still have the guy.. and he aint going anywhere.

    Considering the evidence (tainted and non-tainted) the fact remains that only 4 people were in that apartment... one is dead, one is in prison and two are free.. for now. I personally still thinks she is not tell the truth at all on what happened that night.
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    Re: In Italy a prosecutor can appeal an acquittal? WTF?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Trust me, I don't plan to. Whether it's safe or not is only part of the equation. I have no interest in pouring my money into the socialist societies of Europe, Canada, Mexico, etc... Oh, and that big country to our North doesn't accept my Right to Keep and Bear Arms either, so I'm not headed in that direction any time soon either.
    Then come to Taiwan sometime. Beautiful country with friendly, generally pro-American, people and even less socialistic than the United States.
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    Re: In Italy a prosecutor can appeal an acquittal? WTF?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I have plenty of complaints about the American justice system, but I'm glad we don't allow prosecutors to appeal acquittals.

    Prosecutor to appeal Amanda Knox's acquittal - World news - Europe - msnbc.com
    If she is smart she will not return to any country that would extradite her to Italy.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: In Italy a prosecutor can appeal an acquittal? WTF?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    She was not acquitted.
    Source for that? Everything I am reading about it indicates that she was, in fact, acquitted of the murder charge.
    She was accused of several things including slander. On the slander charge she was found guilty and sentenced to 3 years. She already had been in jail for 4. On the murder charges the court did not find the physical evidence to mandate a guilty verdict and hence overturned the original judgement. Then she was released. It is fully with in the right of the system to appeal said ruling to the highest court in Italy and that is what they have done. But because she severed the time she was convicted on then, she is a free woman till the appeal on the murder charges and evidence has been heard by the Italian supreme court.
    Right, she served more time than she has been sentenced to and is a free woman. She has been acquited, and in a civilized system it would be all over.

    Now of course the Italians have to go through extradition to get her back, but that wont stop them from appealing the ruling. Remember they still have the guy.. and he aint going anywhere.
    And the U.S. will not extradict her as she has been acquited and will not acquiesce to the notion of double jeopardy...

    Considering the evidence (tainted and non-tainted) the fact remains that only 4 people were in that apartment... one is dead, one is in prison and two are free.. for now. I personally still thinks she is not tell the truth at all on what happened that night.
    Doesn't matter what you think about her relationship with the truth. What matters is the evidence, and it just wasn't there.
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    Re: In Italy a prosecutor can appeal an acquittal? WTF?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And the U.S. will not extradite her as she has been acquitted and will not acquiesce to the notion of double jeopardy...
    Hopefully that is true.We may have some globalist scum in office who won't care seeing how many of them already **** on the constitution.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: In Italy a prosecutor can appeal an acquittal? WTF?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Then come to Taiwan sometime. Beautiful country with friendly, generally pro-American, people and even less socialistic than the United States.
    That's one of the few places that I might seriously consider visiting someday.

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    Re: In Italy a prosecutor can appeal an acquittal? WTF?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Italy is not the only country where prosecutors can appeal not guilty prosecutions. Prosecutorial misconduct has already cost the Knox family a fortune. Fortunately, she is now out of the country and if she is smart, she will never return to any EU country where they might extradite her to a country which has already aquited her because there is no protection against double jeopardy. Unfortunately, I also live in a country that allows prosecutorial appeals...
    she ought to hire someone to make that prosecutor "go away"

    He's a scumbag and is under indictment himself for abusing police officers.



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    Re: In Italy a prosecutor can appeal an acquittal? WTF?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    She was not acquitted.

    She was accused of several things including slander. On the slander charge she was found guilty and sentenced to 3 years. She already had been in jail for 4. On the murder charges the court did not find the physical evidence to mandate a guilty verdict and hence overturned the original judgement. Then she was released. It is fully with in the right of the system to appeal said ruling to the highest court in Italy and that is what they have done. But because she severed the time she was convicted on then, she is a free woman till the appeal on the murder charges and evidence has been heard by the Italian supreme court.

    Now of course the Italians have to go through extradition to get her back, but that wont stop them from appealing the ruling. Remember they still have the guy.. and he aint going anywhere.

    Considering the evidence (tainted and non-tainted) the fact remains that only 4 people were in that apartment... one is dead, one is in prison and two are free.. for now. I personally still thinks she is not tell the truth at all on what happened that night.
    In the USA we would put the police in prison for the way they interrogated her



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    Re: In Italy a prosecutor can appeal an acquittal? WTF?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    In the USA we would put the police in prison for the way they interrogated her
    Her lawyer described with clarity how the police entered the crime scene...the broke a window in the bedroom and all piled in the room with the body trampling every damn thing...and that was just the start of it..

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    Re: In Italy a prosecutor can appeal an acquittal? WTF?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Yes it is an extreme position. I'm a medieval history afficianado, yet I will never get to experience any of it because it's all in Europe, and I will not give a single penny of my money to those socialist societies. Nevermind the fact that none of them accept my right to defend myself while I am in their country. My philosophy/ideology is more important to me than any museum, historical place, or anything else outside the borders of the United States.
    You'll never see the beautiful castles of Germany, Switzerland, and France then. That's a shame. Those are all amazing countries. You don't have to agree with all of their politics to enjoy them. I'm fine with people visiting the US regardless if they agree with all our policies. Foreigners often come here and find out that Americans aren't the evil imperialist ignorant bigots that stereotypes have lead them to believe we are. Visiting another country is usually a positive experience. I've never regretted going to any of the places I've visited.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    More importantly, I find it terribly disturbing that most Americans are too stupid to understand that the American Justice System does not extend beyond the borders of the United States. I have a couple friends who enjoy wayching "Locked Up Abroad" and constantly telling me how terrible it is that these things happen to people. My response is.... "What, did they think their Miranda Rights should be read to them in Bejing?" This is especially true for people who want to hike along the borders of places like North Korea and Iran.
    I agree that no one should travel to any country in ignorance. You've got to know where you're going to protect yourself. There are countries I would not consider going to. North Korea and Iran are among them. It's not that I think everyone from those countries is evil. I just think it would be difficult to travel in safety without knowing anyone there and without speaking the language.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Trust me, I don't plan to. Whether it's safe or not is only part of the equation. I have no interest in pouring my money into the socialist societies of Europe, Canada, Mexico, etc... Oh, and that big country to our North doesn't accept my Right to Keep and Bear Arms either, so I'm not headed in that direction any time soon either.
    Actually, they have the right to bear arms in Canada. In fact, the country has a very large gun ownership. I don't think they have the same concealed weapons permits that some states in the US have, but Canadians do have the right to bear arms.

    Canada's also our biggest trading partner one one of our best allies in the world. I'm grateful that they're our northern neighbor and not some country like North Korea. They have a market economy much like our own. In fact, our economies are interdependent. I guess you think their health care system is socialist like that of England, but it's not. It's not owned by the government. Almost all medical practices are privately owned. The government only handles the health insurance part of it. You don't have to agree with that approach, but it would be a shame to never see that country just because you don't. I plan to have a great time at Lake Winnipeg. Maybe I'll come in here and post photos. Again, you don't have to visit there if you don't want to. However, maybe consider another viewpoint -- that it might be worth going to see. You could have a great time and it won't turn you into a socialist. I promise.

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