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Majority expects Obama to lose re-election

I see Obama getting a 2nd term.

In what Muslim country?....Hell! - In just 3 years he sent enough of our dollars to almost all of them. He could live like a Shiek he always wanted to be in Yaman, Iraq, Jordan, Sudan, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Samalia.

They got roads named after him in most of them places.
 
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It doesn't matter who wins the election, the candidate will just continue the gong show in the White House. I don't know why people even bother fighting over which candidate is better anymore. They're all elites that have been appointed by the aristocrats and plutocrats for us to choose from. No one makes it to the Presidential race without their approval first.

Our country needs action of the People. The office of the President is ineffective.
 
Obama, Rommey... America like in relationships tend to fall in love with different versions of the same person over and over again. XD
 
In what Muslim country?....Hell! - In just 3 years he sent enough of our dollars to almost all of them. He could live like a Shiek he always wanted to be in Yaman, Iraq, Jordan, Sudan, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Samalia.

They got roads named after him in most of them places.


Why do you think this?

Its a repeat of 08. The republicans are trying to prop up the biggest RINOs just like 08.Since the RINOs have the money they can effectively campaign. Since the media wants one of the RINOs to win the primary instead of one of the other candidates they will give these RINOs the name recognition they need to win votes from the republicans that are politically illiterate. As a result of these two things a RINO will win the primary and just like 08 a RINO will lose against Obama because a lot of voters can't stand voting for the lesser of two evils.
 
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It doesn't matter who wins the election, the candidate will just continue the gong show in the White House. I don't know why people even bother fighting over which candidate is better anymore. They're all elites that have been appointed by the aristocrats and plutocrats for us to choose from. No one makes it to the Presidential race without their approval first.

So completely true. If voting could really change anything important, it would be illegal.
 
Let's hope the people are right once again.


j-mac

Once again eh?

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But that would mean they were right to elect him in the first place wouldn't it?
 
I will agree there is not a major difference between the parties. I wish the difference was as stark as many like to pretend it is. Sadly, it isn't.

this election, i think we're gonna get that. but you are right that in 2008, we didn't.
 
this election, i think we're gonna get that. but you are right that in 2008, we didn't.

Not a chance. We'll get what we always get. Rhetoric that partisans will buy into, and just as easily forget once the election is over. Liberal nutters will be all over any republican elected, and conservative nutters will still be doing birther **** if Obama is reelected. Little to nothing will actually change. The reality is we haven't changed, so they won't change.
 
If the economy continues to struggle and the unemployment rate remains elevated with little prospect of a meaningful decline, the President most definitely will be beatable. At this point, my guess is that Governor Romney might have the best chance at unseating President Obama, but he might not be the only candidate who could do so.

Governor Perry has imploded in the early debates and I'm not sure he can recover from that situation. Moreover, the Republicans can ill-afford to nominate a candidate who is not an effective speaker and strong debater (Senator McCain's struggles on that front offer just a recent example; leaders need to be able to communicate effectively). Former Speaker Gingrich (bad organizational abilities in his campaign), Herman Cain (no concrete governing experience/straw poll results are not the same thing as primary outcomes/recent shots at Governor Christie who has made some really tough decisions won't endear him to fiscal conservatives), Ron Paul (has shown little ability to broaden his base/recent comments on the Awlaki strike are not in the mainstream), Governor Huntsman (had too few campaign events since entering the campaign and missed a chance to gain public recognition), Senator Santorum (still largely a social conservative at a time when economics is by far the main challenge facing the country) have little chance. They almost certainly won't win the Republican nomination. Michele Bachmann has been fading, but Governor Perry's decline might provide her a renewed chance. Whether she capitalizes remains to be seen (I don't believe she will).

In the end, despite all the recent developments, the landscape is again shifting toward a Romney nomination. While Governor Romney might not be the "perfect" candidate in the minds of Republicans, the combination of what he offers (practical governing experience, private sector experience, competent debater, and seasoning from the 2008 election) will probably be enough to consolidate enough support to gain the nomination. In the general election, the state of the economy will be the top factor. Second, Republicans could be motivated by the opportunity to vote out President Obama, hence even if they lack passion for Governor Romney, they'll still turn out at the polls. Of course, the election outcome is far from certain, but a continued relatively stagnant economy will probably give the edge to the Republicans.

President Obama could win if the economy is improving and/or the Republicans nominate a candidate who is simply not cut out for the office (some of those mentioned previously as having little chance).
 
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Not a chance. We'll get what we always get. Rhetoric that partisans will buy into, and just as easily forget once the election is over

pre-Tea Party that might have been true. but now we live in a political world where all but 4 House Republicans voted to dramatically alter Medicare and drastically short the budget. we live in a political world where Ron Paul can poll within the margin of error against an incumbent Democrat.

the conservative movement is in charge of the Republican party, and they don't trust the Republican party. we're going to see an actual conflict of visions rather than just a variation on the same direction this time around, methinks.
 
pre-Tea Party that might have been true. but now we live in a political world where all but 4 House Republicans voted to dramatically alter Medicare and drastically short the budget. we live in a political world where Ron Paul can poll within the margin of error against an incumbent Democrat.

the conservative movement is in charge of the Republican party, and they don't trust the Republican party. we're going to see an actual conflict of visions rather than just a variation on the same direction this time around, methinks.

Nope. They only vote that way because they are in power. Republicans have always made such bold moves when they are nto in power and they know it won't fly. Democrats do this as well. There really is little difference. Just those you can count on to buy it no matter many times they are fooled.
 
Let's hope the people are right once again.


j-mac

Voters didn't "expect" Truman to win either. The question was not who would you support, it was do you expect him to win. It's entirely possible that people are uncertain that doesn't mean they are voting Republican.
 
the conservative movement is in charge of the Republican party, and they don't trust the Republican party. we're going to see an actual conflict of visions rather than just a variation on the same direction this time around, methinks
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I hear this a lot, and I was kind of hopeful at first. We need more anti-establishment people getting tired of moneyed interests and special interests controlling Washington......then the Tea Party platform came out...and they lost me. It's social conservatism mixed with pro-establishment policies. Cutting regulations on big corporations, cutting taxes on the wealthy and corporations.....you guys are not anti-establishment!
 
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I see Obama's chances are pretty good for re-election. Every Republican candidate has the exact same plans as every Republican candidate going back to Reagan. They're essentially all saying the exact same thing, just putting a different wrapper on it. I don't there are enough brainwashed voters available to put another lower regulations and cutting taxes Republican in office again.

Not to mention the fact that none of the Republican front runners are good enough to debate against Obama. Ron Paul or Gengrich would be the only ones capable of taking him in televised debate, the rest would lose.
 
Nope. They only vote that way because they are in power

Republicans took the house and passed the Ryan budget - putting all of them on record. if they had stuck to rhetoric you would have a better point here.


I agree they can't be trusted - I'm only pointing out that now you have a large grassroots (looks like possibly on both sides of the aisle) determined to hold their respective parties' feet to the fire.


the Tea Party is going to drive Republican politics in 2012. Democrat politics? could be driven by this Occupy Wall Street crowd. :lol: now that is going to be fun.
 
Hint: the election is over a year away. That number will change, possibly dramatically.

that is correct - there is still time to reach the other 47 percent of independents :)


Strong opposition to Obama has grown markedly since the start of the year.

...In a mid-January Post-ABC survey, 28 percent strongly disapproved of the job Obama was doing. With the exception of a poll in early May that followed hard on the killing of Osama bin Laden , that number has steadily ticked upward, as the year has worn on and the economy has remained sluggish (at best)...
 
that is correct - there is still time to reach the other 47 percent of independents :)


Strong opposition to Obama has grown markedly since the start of the year.


I have to repeat this...If the GOP were as confident that obama is a loser as all the rightist conservatives on this forum...then why have the GOP elite been scrambling around the country begging other candidates to get into the race ?? ...Christie was not their first choice.
All the polls with "POSSIBLE" matchups are nonesense...all the polls saying if the election were held today and Christie was gop nominee who would you vote for...are worthless....Obama against a generic republican today...worthless
When the GOP chooses their ONE [1] nominee.....then the games begin and not until then.
 
53% of Independents say they will "Definitely Not" vote for Obama in 2012

Ehh, we'll see. Answers change based on what's asked. The generic Republican canidate beats Obama but Perry or Romney lose or are tied.
 
I have to repeat this...If the GOP were as confident that obama is a loser as all the rightist conservatives on this forum...then why have the GOP elite been scrambling around the country begging other candidates to get into the race ?

it's because Obama is so beatable. this is the race that any minimally acceptable candidate can win; so everyone wants their favorite guy to run. meanwhile, we don't like Romney, and Perry screwed up.
 
Democrat and "lean Democrat" enthusiasm about voting in 2012 is the lowest it has been since 2002.

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he's not going to see the turnout he did in 2008. meanwhile, the GOP and Lean Republican enthusiasm is sitting at about 58%.

meanwhile, his general approval is about the lowest it has ever been - currently at 41 / 52; and it's been dropping (with the exception of a post-Osama bounce) all year.

56% say he's about the same or worse than George Bush.

you're seeing the development of a strong "anybody but Obama" demographic in the independents who broke heavily for Obama in 2008. He will be held primarily responsible for the state of the economy, which by all accounts is not exactly about to take off. His much-vaunted speech-making-skills has thus far failed to convince the American people to change their opinion about anything.

this guy is very beatable.
 
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