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Amanda Knox wins Meredith Kercher murder appeal

Actually Knox put herself at the crime scene before she changed her tune only to change it again. The only physical evidence in the apartment was that of the 4 persons involved.. there was nothing to link anyone else but the 3.

So you're saying that you couldn't produce the evidence which would place her at the crime scene at the time of the crime? OK, but how the hell can you call for conviction without evidence?

We aint in America. Reasonable doubt is an American thing. But as I stated before, I am torn. The police bungling of the evidence collecting and the way she acted after the murders pulls me in both directions. She acted guilty, and some of the evidence is tainted.... based on that no, I would never convict personally, but I would maintain my suspicion... much like OJ Simpson.

And OJ got away with it. Though it probably has more to do with the cop who said "nigger" than their bungling of the case. Regardless, everything is on the State. They must make the case, they must present the evidence, they must prove it. If they can't, then you can't realistically and within the confines of justice claim there should be a conviction. It must be demonstrated that the person committed the crime. The prosecution did not have that demonstration. They had hearsay, supposition, assumption, and name calling. That does not cut it for a conviction. Sorry. Any reasonable and logical society concerned over the concepts of justice would understan

Depends on the court, wealth, colour of the skin and how sexy the person is. Like it or not that is the sad fact of American justice.

There are problems with the American system. Wealth seemingly can buy you out of trouble, if you know the right people as well. I'd like that to be addressed. But are you sure that we're the only ones who suffer from this affliction? Seriously? I'd say you're either ignorant or biased if you do. Hell, I'd say it of the West in general, we have similar biases and preferences even if you don't want to admit it.

Hey I aint the one going around on these boards and others places saying that "the black guy did it".

As I said, more than race I think this may just be one of your anti-American rants.
 
...If you wouldn't convict her, what's your issue?...

Pete's "issue" is that she is an American. That's pretty much enough for him. :mrgreen:
 
She says she was not, and there was no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Err she said she was.. then said she was not.. then said she was.. and then said she was not.. Plus she lived there, so chances are she was at some point during that day.

This is not evidence of murder.

Most murders are done by people the murdered knew.. just saying.

False. There is absolutely no DNA evidence linking her to the crime scene.

There is plenty of DNA evidence linking her to the crime scene.. she lived there after all. Now the evidence linking her to the crime is another matter. There is evidence but the defence has shown that the police screwed up. Now that does not mean she did not do it, just that the police were idiots.

This is not evidence of murder.

No but is of some sort of guilt...

That's exactly what this is about. You don't like the United States, so you want to see an innocent person spend the rest of her life in prison. I imagine that this is what her original conviction stemmed from as well.

No this about how the American media are biased when it comes down to one of their own and will do anything to make fun off and discredit outsiders to gain said persons freedom. Instead of sticking to the facts, the American media painted this woman as some sort of all American girl who was being pounded by the evil Italians. Now saying that the Italian media were no better in doing exactly the opposite. This case reminds me of the Lockerbie bomber case.. same bull**** US media bias over again.

As for me not liking the US.. come on... what a load of bullcrap.

False. The police made up the story about Lumumba being involved, and kept asking her if it was true. As far as I know this fact isn't even in dispute. After many hours of interrogation (during which she claims she was struck by a police officer) she told them what they wanted to hear. That's far different than her just accusing him out of the blue. And for that matter, even if she HAD accused him out of the blue, it would hardly suggest she was guilty of murder as opposed to merely under a lot of stress.

And you base this on her account? American media reporting or? Or on court facts? Just asking..You do realize that she got convicted on this point.... are you saying that the very court that freed her also screwed up on this point?

Which aspects of her story have changed? And why wouldn't they necessarily be the sign of an innocent person?

LOL have you even followed the story? Her story changed constantly..as did his.. That is why many people are very suspicious of this woman.

I don't think you understand the US court system very well if you believe that. Things like this would very rarely be accepted at all, and only in conjunction with lots of evidence linking her to the crime.

Yea.. sure... that is why you dont have the innocents project, and that is why you did not just execute an very possibly innocent man... yea... sure..

Oh how nice, you're willing to allow that "some sort" of physical evidence is necessary but demeanor is "very much" part of the case. Demeanor should, at most, account for maybe 5% of the evidence because it's nothing more than someone's subjective opinion of how people are "supposed" to behave following a murder.

Demeanour and physical evidence go hand in hand along with many other things (history and so on). Her demeanour screamed guilt of some sort... the evidence also screamed guilt up to a point.. but the fact that the evidence was badly collected means she walks.. for now. Like it or not the only evidence in that apartment was that of the 4 persons involved.. it has to be one or all 3 of them that did the murder. Since none of them have any sort of alibi nor can get their stories straight, plus acted strangely.. then yes it is only the non corrupted physical evidence that is lacking to put the nail in the coffin so to say.

There it is again, you hate Americans so you want an innocent person to go to prison for the rest of her life.

No I dont hate American's.. I hate people who get away with murder. I can not be sure she did not do it, just as I can not be sure she did not... that is my issue with this case. It is O.J. Simpson 2.0.

You have GOT to be kidding. You either don't know much about the facts of the case or you're so blinded by your hatred for the United States that you can't see anything else. Rudy Guede's DNA is all over the crime scene. He even left a deuce in Kercher's toilet the night the murder occurred, which the police found.

Of course his DNA is all over the place.. he was most likely screwing both girls and was at the scene several times...

Why is it you want to blame the black man automatically over the white girl and boy? You do realize that much of the evidence against Rudy Guede is also going down the tubes right?

The sad fact is we will never know the truth because the police screwed up and the whole case turned into a media case with a USA vs Italy battle instead a battle over the truth... and in the end.. there is still a very dead British girl who has had no justice what so ever and that everyone has forgotten ... very little about the victim on the US news reports I have seen... and that is sad.

End of story, this case pisses me off and makes me even more a believer of closed criminal courts where no media is allowed and there is a media gag until the court rules.
 
Pete's "issue" is that she is an American. That's pretty much enough for him. :mrgreen:

Apart from that horrible affliction of which she has no control over, that would mean condemning the poor Italian kid too... :mrgreen:
 
End of story, this case pisses me off and makes me even more a believer of closed criminal courts where no media is allowed and there is a media gag until the court rules.

Yes...secret government courts; there's the answer.
 
Pete's "issue" is that she is an American. That's pretty much enough for him. :mrgreen:

You are wrong. My issue is not with her being American, but the American media that are biased and were able to first sink her case (so she got convicted) and the change that conviction... I am more and more a firm believer that the media have no business in the justice system, especially on such cases. The facts should speak for themselves not what some media pundit from random tv station in the US or Italy is able to influence the jury with.
 
You are wrong. My issue is not with her being American, but the American media that are biased and were able to first sink her case (so she got convicted) and the change that conviction... I am more and more a firm believer that the media have no business in the justice system, especially on such cases. The facts should speak for themselves not what some media pundit from random tv station in the US or Italy is able to influence the jury with.

Wait...the American media first got her convicted, and then got the conviction overturned? Seriously? Our f'd up media has that much sway over the Italian court system? Are you sure you aren't just imagining this?

I mean, in the end the facts did speak for themselves. The facts were that the prosecution had not the evidence to demonstrate that she had committed the crimes.
 
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The real sad thing is that the Kercher family still dont know who killed their daughter 4 years ago.
People keep saying this, but the guy whose bloody hand print was next to their daughter and whose DNA was inside of her is in jail for 16 years. I think it's pretty obvious from my perspective who did it.

That said, Knox has always seemed a bit creepy to me, but she could just be a creepy, awkward person.
 
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Yes...secret government courts; there's the answer.

No. Are you saying the British legal system are "secret government courts"? In cases such as this, the judge can put on a gag order..and it is very effective and provides security for the accused not to be railroaded by media friendly prosecutors looking for someone to blame.

Yes I do believe that Knox was singled out by the prosecution not only by the evidence but also because of her nationality and looks.. the case was just as much a media trial as it was a real trial. Had the media been barred from reporting the facts, and from the court rooms, then not only would the prosecutor not be able to use her nationality in a publicity grab, but also the jury would not have been influenced by the media as they clearly were in the first trial. Look at her boyfriend.. he was hardly touched by the media.. it was Foxy Knoxy and all that bull crap. He even got a LESSER sentence than her for **** sake lol.
 
You are wrong. My issue is not with her being American, but the American media that are biased and were able to first sink her case (so she got convicted) and the change that conviction... I am more and more a firm believer that the media have no business in the justice system, especially on such cases. The facts should speak for themselves not what some media pundit from random tv station in the US or Italy is able to influence the jury with.
The American media is definitely biased and I agree that the media played a part in this case since the jurors weren't sequestered. However, it was the Italian media that was negative towards Knox during the first case, not the American media, so the Italian media, if anything, would have been the influence in the first case, not the American media.
 
No. Are you saying the British legal system are "secret government courts"?

Is the media completely banned from observing, recording, reporting, etc.? If so, then yes it is.

We can do gag orders too, but I'll never support throwing the media out of the trial. There must be oversight to ensure the government is not abusing its power.
 
People keep saying this, but the guy whose bloody hand print was next to their daughter and whose DNA was inside of her is in jail for 16 years. I think it's pretty obvious from my perspective who did it.

So... the evidence that was tainted and badly collected all of a sudden is great and all good when it comes to him? Cant have it both ways....
 
Is the media completely banned from observing, recording, reporting, etc.? If so, then yes it is.

We can do gag orders too, but I'll never support throwing the media out of the trial. There must be oversight to ensure the government is not abusing its power.

Fat lot of good that does in the US....

The media has all the right to investigate the case after the initial court ruling... you can appeal things you know... Knox knows.
 
Fat lot of good that does in the US....

The media has all the right to investigate the case after the initial court ruling... you can appeal things you know... Knox knows.

Well in terms of the court system, it's been OK. The media itself has become a problem too, I'd personally like to go back to when a person could only own one media outlet. That was nice. But regardless, even a corrupt media is less damaging than a corrupt government. So if we have to err, I'd err on the side of the press over the government. Every time.
 
And the person who is spreading this lie is a ****ing moron.

Italy does NOT have double jeopardy.



European Convention of Human Rights, Seventh Protocol, Article 4.

Italy has ratified said protocol.

What the prosecution can do is appeal the case to the highest court in Italy.

give me 50 hours with some kid from a country that english is not her first language and I will have her confessing to killing Jack Kennedy.

The original trial was a joke, the prosecutor was a joke, the forensics was a joke and there was no motive, no direct evidence, etc. Not enough to even INDICT in the USA
 
The American media is definitely biased and I agree that the media played a part in this case since the jurors weren't sequestered. However, it was the Italian media that was negative towards Knox during the first case, not the American media, so the Italian media, if anything, would have been the influence in the first case, not the American media.

Exactly! I agree. The Italian media were bad, just as the American media have been since the conviction. While the Italian media (some) wanted her guilty, the American media wanted her innocent... this is an intolerable meddling in an ongoing case and hurts justice pure and simple.

I have no problem with media going after the case, after the fact, but not during the freaking trial.. spreading rumours and half truths and trying to influence public opinion.
 
Well in terms of the court system, it's been OK. The media itself has become a problem too, I'd personally like to go back to when a person could only own one media outlet. That was nice. But regardless, even a corrupt media is less damaging than a corrupt government. So if we have to err, I'd err on the side of the press over the government. Every time.

Not when the media and government are on the same side... read Italian media in this case, or the US media in the lead up to the Iraq war.
 
Not when the media and government are on the same side... read Italian media in this case, or the US media in the lead up to the Iraq war.

That's a problem too, but that's a problem with government and it's entanglement with corporation; not a problem with the base of press. Press must remain free. We just need to remove the entanglement with government to allow it to do its job properly.
 
...No this about how the American media are biased when it comes down to one of their own and will do anything to make fun off and discredit outsiders to gain said persons freedom. Instead of sticking to the facts, the American media painted this woman as some sort of all American girl who was being pounded by the evil Italians. Now saying that the Italian media were no better in doing exactly the opposite. This case reminds me of the Lockerbie bomber case.. same bull**** US media bias over again.

As for me not liking the US.. come on... what a load of bullcrap.

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Who cares, Amanda Knox is hot and hot always wins in the end. Personally I don't think she has the guts to kill anyone.
 
Who cares, Amanda Knox is hot and hot always wins in the end. Personally I don't think she has the guts to kill anyone.

she ought to have that prosecutor whacked though. He's a dick and if she is guilty of defamation he certainly is too
 
Exactly! I agree. The Italian media were bad, just as the American media have been since the conviction. While the Italian media (some) wanted her guilty, the American media wanted her innocent... this is an intolerable meddling in an ongoing case and hurts justice pure and simple.

I have no problem with media going after the case, after the fact, but not during the freaking trial.. spreading rumours and half truths and trying to influence public opinion.
I agree with you. It was pretty obvious that the American media was all about Knox being innocent. Knox is American, attractive and has an innocent (albeit creepy as hell) look to her and the media went after it and sensationalized the trial. I agree it as well as the Italian media were irresponsible particularly considering that the jury wasn't sequestered. Moreover, much of the pro-Knox media influence in the appeals case was due to Knox's family hiring a PR firm.

That said, I still believe she should have been off because I see a lot of reasonable doubt for her. I don't know if she's innocent though.
 
Who cares, Amanda Knox is hot and hot always wins in the end. Personally I don't think she has the guts to kill anyone.
She doesn't seem like she has the guts to kill either, but from my obviously limited knowledge of her, I could see her killing someone in a drug fueled situation, but then again, my opinion is impacted by the media's portrayal of her and that bat**** insane prosecutor.
 
So... the evidence that was tainted and badly collected all of a sudden is great and all good when it comes to him? Cant have it both ways....
I'm not having it both ways. Each piece of evidence was different. A bloody hand print and DNA INSIDE of the body is MUCH different from a knife with DNA a your boyfriends apartment with trace amounts of unusable DNA on the blade.
 
She doesn't seem like she has the guts to kill either, but from my obviously limited knowledge of her, I could see her killing someone in a drug fueled situation, but then again, my opinion is impacted by the media's portrayal of her and that bat**** insane prosecutor.

The Italian press constantly trumpeted claims that the British girl was upset that Knox left her "vibrator" around in plain sight and "had numerous men spend the night with her". They were doing all they could to convince the jury she was some whacked out nympho
 
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