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Amanda Knox wins Meredith Kercher murder appeal

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A bit torn about this case. There is no doubt that the police screwed up, but then there is how Knox acted the days after the murder and her inconstancies and her slander. At least she was convicted for the latter and got 3 years... but still.. it aint normal for someone to do cartwheels the day after a friends murder....

An appeal will most likely happen, and then an extradition fight since Knox will most likely leave Italy in the next few hours.

The real sad thing is that the Kercher family still dont know who killed their daughter 4 years ago.
 
I have a mixed opinion about this case as well.

Although I haven't followed this trial very closely from start-to-finish, from what I do know of it the plantiff's case wasn't that strong IMO. Most everything the prosecuting attorney presented was circumstantial. And as we learned from such famous murder cases such as the OJ trial, once you plant the seed of evidence tampering not to mention sloppy evidence collections, it pretty much removes any credibility the prosecutions has in the case. So, if the evidence doesn't fit...

To illustrate what I mean here, clearly the murder victim put up a fight before she died, but there's no evidence to support the claim that she fought with Amanda Knox. No skin under the finger nails, no strands of Miss Knox' hair anywhere on the murder scene, no bloody clothing of Miss Knox' w/the victim's blood on them. Nothing...

Now, behavior-wise I would agree that it would seem odd to some for Miss Knox' to be turning cartwheels the day after her roommate/friend's murder, but as I understand events Miss Knox wasn't aware of the girl's murder until days later. So, unless I'm wrong on the timeline I don't see how this young woman going on with her life in a carefree manner (i.e., turning cartwheels) necessarily equates to her being so cavalier. In any event, if that's the best argument the prosecution has concerning this case, it's no wonder Miss Knox was set free.
 
I'm glad to hear it. The entire prosecution was a sham, in my opinion. There wasn't a shred of evidence connecting Knox with the murder... not a shred. Cartwheels do not a murderer make. I'm thrilled that bin Laden was killed. Doesn't mean that I'm the one who killed him.
 
Her conviction was based on faulty evidence and it appears the prosecutor used just about every epithet to attack Amanda you can think of without using profanity.

I have no clue if she is guilty, but I do know she is a very lucky young lady getting released after all the stories she told.

She needs to be a plane ASAP because I understand the prosecutor was considering refiling because Italy allows double jeopardy.
 
I'm glad to hear it. The entire prosecution was a sham, in my opinion. There wasn't a shred of evidence connecting Knox with the murder... not a shred. Cartwheels do not a murderer make. I'm thrilled that bin Laden was killed. Doesn't mean that I'm the one who killed him.

I agree but what got her into deep trouble was supposedly she lied to police and blamed the murder on the African First..I cant remember names..then another person and thats what raised their suspicions...there was no physical evidence howerver...this case was quite confusing..
But like pete said you have feel for the family of the murdered girl...
 
She needs to be a plane ASAP because I understand the prosecutor was considering refiling because Italy allows double jeopardy.

Really? The State can try someone for the same crime twice? Dang. Yeah, she's best looking at getting the fudge out of dodge. Maybe she got away with murder, we'll never really know for sure. But the Prosecution didn't seem very competent, nor did they seem to have compelling data. So they were left with hearsay, supposition and name calling, and that shouldn't really be enough for a murder conviction.
 
I have a mixed opinion about this case as well.

Although I haven't followed this trial very closely from start-to-finish, from what I do know of it the plantiff's case wasn't that strong IMO. Most everything the prosecuting attorney presented was circumstantial. And as we learned from such famous murder cases such as the OJ trial, once you plant the seed of evidence tampering not to mention sloppy evidence collections, it pretty much removes any credibility the prosecutions has in the case. So, if the evidence doesn't fit...

To illustrate what I mean here, clearly the murder victim put up a fight before she died, but there's no evidence to support the claim that she fought with Amanda Knox. No skin under the finger nails, no strands of Miss Knox' hair anywhere on the murder scene, no bloody clothing of Miss Knox' w/the victim's blood on them. Nothing...

Now, behavior-wise I would agree that it would seem odd to some for Miss Knox' to be turning cartwheels the day after her roommate/friend's murder, but as I understand events Miss Knox wasn't aware of the girl's murder until days later. So, unless I'm wrong on the timeline I don't see how this young woman going on with her life in a carefree manner (i.e., turning cartwheels) necessarily equates to her being so cavalier. In any event, if that's the best argument the prosecution has concerning this case, it's no wonder Miss Knox was set free.

All I think I remember is that part of the prosecution's case was about a sex game gone wrong and that someone how Knox, the Italian boyfriend, and the African guy were all involved somehow. Something about a nightclub? And the African was convicted long ago, right? But some think he was a patsy?

So who has the facts?
 
A bit torn about this case. There is no doubt that the police screwed up,

Screwed up?... The Italian police and press should be ashamed of themselves! Her conviction was not only a travesty of justice but perhaps the most outrageous example of Continental anti-American bias as has been displayed in years.

but then there is how Knox acted the days after the murder and her inconstancies and her slander. At least she was convicted for the latter and got 3 years... but still.. it aint normal for someone to do cartwheels the day after a friends murder....

What ain't normal is convicting someone of murder for doing cartwheels. Doing cartwheels while waiting idly for hours at the police station is just as likely to be a mixed expression of ennui, apprehension, and immaturity as it is anything else. We are talking about a young woman just barely out of high school. Cartwheels are NOT evidence.

Her inconsistencies and false indictment of Lumumba should be the first clue that she was making up stories in order to appease her interrogators, which is not at all unusual during prolonged interrogations.

An appeal will most likely happen, and then an extradition fight since Knox will most likely leave Italy in the next few hours.

There will be no appeal. Despite what this degenerate prosecutor says, the Italian judiciary will want nothing more than to get this embarassing fiasco behind them as soon as possible.

The real sad thing is that the Kercher family still dont know who killed their daughter 4 years ago.

It is more than obvious that Rudy Guede murdered Kercher. If her bereaved parents cannot accept that for some unfathomable reason, then they should seek counseling.
 
A bit torn about this case. There is no doubt that the police screwed up, but then there is how Knox acted the days after the murder and her inconstancies and her slander.

There isn't a shred of evidence linking her to the murder. Absolutely nothing.

At least she was convicted for the latter and got 3 years.

Glad you applaud when police bully someone into agreeing with a story that THEY concocted, then convict her of slander. :roll:

but still.. it aint normal for someone to do cartwheels the day after a friends murder.

Whether it's "normal" has no bearing on whether or not she was guilty of the crime.

An appeal will most likely happen, and then an extradition fight since Knox will most likely leave Italy in the next few hours.

There won't be an extradition fight. If it comes to that, the US government will tell Italy to **** off and that will be the end of it. As it should.

The real sad thing is that the Kercher family still dont know who killed their daughter 4 years ago.

The killer is obviously the man whom the evidence DOES link to the crime, Rudy Guede.
 
Really? The State can try someone for the same crime twice? Dang. Yeah, she's best looking at getting the fudge out of dodge. Maybe she got away with murder, we'll never really know for sure. But the Prosecution didn't seem very competent, nor did they seem to have compelling data. So they were left with hearsay, supposition and name calling, and that shouldn't really be enough for a murder conviction.

Yeah, its nuts. There is no double jeopardy prohibition in Italy. A prosecutor can keep charging you for the same crime over and over. Nuts.

Case is just nuts all around. Not sure if she did it, pretty sure she was involved in some way, shape or form. Of course thats solely gut feeling based on the info released. She certainly didn't behave like someone who had just had someone close to them murdered, brutally.
 
I have a hard time worrying about this case in Italy while Rome (USA) burns. What time is BO's press conference tomorrow when he will take credit for her release?
 
Really? The State can try someone for the same crime twice? Dang. Yeah, she's best looking at getting the fudge out of dodge. Maybe she got away with murder, we'll never really know for sure. But the Prosecution didn't seem very competent, nor did they seem to have compelling data. So they were left with hearsay, supposition and name calling, and that shouldn't really be enough for a murder conviction.

There are several countries that allow double jeopardy... Not all countries have strong protections for the accused...
 
Screwed up?... The Italian police and press should be ashamed of themselves! Her conviction was not only a travesty of justice but perhaps the most outrageous example of Continental anti-American bias as has been displayed in years.

Yea of course you would say that... and I am not excusing how the Italian media handled the situation, but nor should you excuse how the US media handled it. She was innocent in their eyes before the evidence became known, simply because she was a pretty white girl from America.

What ain't normal is convicting someone of murder for doing cartwheels. Doing cartwheels while waiting idly for hours at the police station is just as likely to be a mixed expression of ennui, apprehension, and immaturity as it is anything else. We are talking about a young woman just barely out of high school. Cartwheels are NOT evidence.

LOL give me a break. Are you saying that your young people are that immature at that age? And it was not only the cart wheels... explain why she went out and bought cleaning materials?

Her inconsistencies and false indictment of Lumumba should be the first clue that she was making up stories in order to appease her interrogators, which is not at all unusual during prolonged interrogations.

LOL more excuses.

There will be no appeal. Despite what this degenerate prosecutor says, the Italian judiciary will want nothing more than to get this embarassing fiasco behind them as soon as possible.

According to the information I saw last night, then there will be an appeal.

It is more than obvious that Rudy Guede murdered Kercher. If her bereaved parents cannot accept that for some unfathomable reason, then they should seek counseling.

And now you are being biased as hell.. is it because he is a black man? The evidence against Rudy Guede is even worse off than it was against Knox. And Guede did not have the American media to form public opinion in his favour.
 
There isn't a shred of evidence linking her to the murder. Absolutely nothing.

She was in the house, she lived with the girl, her DNA is all over the place (shocker I know), the way she acted after the murder and so on and so on. The US just executed a man with less evidence against him than Knox.. so..

Glad you applaud when police bully someone into agreeing with a story that THEY concocted, then convict her of slander. :roll:

Yes that would be an American's claim. She was the one that accused someone else, not the police. In fact the police quickly dismissed her accusation because the man had a freaking alibi. Knox did NOT have an alibi. Hell she did could not even get her story straight and changed it many times. Not the sign of an innocent person.

Whether it's "normal" has no bearing on whether or not she was guilty of the crime.

LOL of course it is. Such things are used constantly in US courts for peak sake. Her demeanour and state of mind are very much part of the case.. granted I fully agree some sort of physical evidence is needed as well to convict someone, but demeanour is very much part of any case.

There won't be an extradition fight. If it comes to that, the US government will tell Italy to **** off and that will be the end of it. As it should.

LOL so you wont follow the law just because it is a pretty white girl form Seattle?

The killer is obviously the man whom the evidence DOES link to the crime, Rudy Guede.

Yea blame the black guy. As I have stated, the case against Rudy Guede is worse off than the case against Knox. Witnesses against him have changed their stories and have considerable credibility problems (heroin addict for example). On top of that they cant even use Knox as a witness any more since she is a convicted slanderer.
 
There are several countries that allow double jeopardy... Not all countries have strong protections for the accused...

And the person who is spreading this lie is a ****ing moron.

Italy does NOT have double jeopardy.

No one shall be liable to be tried or punished again in criminal proceedings under the jurisdiction of the same State for an offence for which he or she has already been finally acquitted or convicted in accordance with the law and penal procedure of that State.

European Convention of Human Rights, Seventh Protocol, Article 4.

Italy has ratified said protocol.

What the prosecution can do is appeal the case to the highest court in Italy.
 
Yea of course you would say that... and I am not excusing how the Italian media handled the situation, but nor should you excuse how the US media handled it. She was innocent in their eyes before the evidence became known, simply because she was a pretty white girl from America.

Obviously, you are not too familiar with the case.


LOL give me a break. Are you saying that your young people are that immature at that age? And it was not only the cart wheels... explain why she went out and bought cleaning materials?

No breaks. Yes, some young people can be quite immature. That's why we call them young people.

As far as the "cleaning materials" evidence goes, it was bunk.

"When the store owner was first interviewed by the police, he did not mention Knox coming into his store to buy cleaning supplies. The shop's other worker testified that Knox never came into the store the morning of the murder."

Amanda Knox Latest News: Lifetime movie full of mistakes, says CBS News producer - Crimesider - CBS News

LOL more excuses.

LOL yourself. You should know what you are talking about before you opine.


According to the information I saw last night, then there will be an appeal.

I don't care what you saw last night, or what is even being said right now. This case is dead. Even if there is an appeal, it is going nowhere.

And now you are being biased as hell.. is it because he is a black man? The evidence against Rudy Guede is even worse off than it was against Knox. And Guede did not have the American media to form public opinion in his favour.

How do you find the nerve to argue about an issue of which you know next to nothing?

Try doing some research, FIRST, then attempt to argue. This way, you won't seem so annoyingly misinformed.
 
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And the person who is spreading this lie is a ****ing moron.

Italy does NOT have double jeopardy.



European Convention of Human Rights, Seventh Protocol, Article 4.

Italy has ratified said protocol.

What the prosecution can do is appeal the case to the highest court in Italy.

Which constitutes double jeopardy...
 
She was in the house,

She says she was not, and there was no evidence to suggest otherwise.

she lived with the girl,

This is not evidence of murder.

her DNA is all over the place (shocker I know),

False. There is absolutely no DNA evidence linking her to the crime scene.

the way she acted after the murder and so on and so on.

This is not evidence of murder.

The US just executed a man with less evidence against him than Knox.. so..

That's exactly what this is about. You don't like the United States, so you want to see an innocent person spend the rest of her life in prison. I imagine that this is what her original conviction stemmed from as well.

Yes that would be an American's claim.

:roll:

She was the one that accused someone else, not the police.

False. The police made up the story about Lumumba being involved, and kept asking her if it was true. As far as I know this fact isn't even in dispute. After many hours of interrogation (during which she claims she was struck by a police officer) she told them what they wanted to hear. That's far different than her just accusing him out of the blue. And for that matter, even if she HAD accused him out of the blue, it would hardly suggest she was guilty of murder as opposed to merely under a lot of stress.

In fact the police quickly dismissed her accusation because the man had a freaking alibi. Knox did NOT have an alibi. Hell she did could not even get her story straight and changed it many times. Not the sign of an innocent person.

Which aspects of her story have changed? And why wouldn't they necessarily be the sign of an innocent person?

LOL of course it is. Such things are used constantly in US courts for peak sake.

I don't think you understand the US court system very well if you believe that. Things like this would very rarely be accepted at all, and only in conjunction with lots of evidence linking her to the crime.

Her demeanour and state of mind are very much part of the case.. granted I fully agree some sort of physical evidence is needed as well to convict someone, but demeanour is very much part of any case.

Oh how nice, you're willing to allow that "some sort" of physical evidence is necessary but demeanor is "very much" part of the case. Demeanor should, at most, account for maybe 5% of the evidence because it's nothing more than someone's subjective opinion of how people are "supposed" to behave following a murder.

LOL so you wont follow the law just because it is a pretty white girl form Seattle?

There it is again, you hate Americans so you want an innocent person to go to prison for the rest of her life.

Yea blame the black guy. As I have stated, the case against Rudy Guede is worse off than the case against Knox. Witnesses against him have changed their stories and have considerable credibility problems (heroin addict for example). On top of that they cant even use Knox as a witness any more since she is a convicted slanderer.

You have GOT to be kidding. You either don't know much about the facts of the case or you're so blinded by your hatred for the United States that you can't see anything else. Rudy Guede's DNA is all over the crime scene. He even left a deuce in Kercher's toilet the night the murder occurred, which the police found.
 
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She was in the house, she lived with the girl, her DNA is all over the place (shocker I know), the way she acted after the murder and so on and so on. The US just executed a man with less evidence against him than Knox.. so..

Then prosecution should have easily been able to put her at the crime scene at the time of the crime. Could they? Beyond a reasonable doubt, was it done? To me the prosecution seemed to have conjecture, hearsay, supposition, and insult; but not much beyond that. That's not enough for murder conviction. Sorry. Maybe if she doesn't get out in time and Italy retries her, they can get another go at it. But they'll need better evidence.

Yes that would be an American's claim. She was the one that accused someone else, not the police. In fact the police quickly dismissed her accusation because the man had a freaking alibi. Knox did NOT have an alibi. Hell she did could not even get her story straight and changed it many times. Not the sign of an innocent person.

Then you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was guilty, yes?

LOL of course it is. Such things are used constantly in US courts for peak sake. Her demeanour and state of mind are very much part of the case.. granted I fully agree some sort of physical evidence is needed as well to convict someone, but demeanour is very much part of any case.

That Casey Anthony chick wasn't acting all grieving and was rather suspicious too. But we too had to let her go because we could not get the evidence to prove the crime. Evidence is necessary, not supposition.

LOL so you wont follow the law just because it is a pretty white girl form Seattle?

Race card eh? Are you sure you're not just on one of your anti-American kicks?

Yea blame the black guy. As I have stated, the case against Rudy Guede is worse off than the case against Knox. Witnesses against him have changed their stories and have considerable credibility problems (heroin addict for example). On top of that they cant even use Knox as a witness any more since she is a convicted slanderer.

Loving that race card, eh?
 
Obviously, you are not too familiar with the case.

Sure I am

No breaks. Yes, some young people can be quite immature. That's why we call them young people.

She was 20.. that is not young.

As far as the "cleaning materials" evidence goes, it was bunk.

"When the store owner was first interviewed by the police, he did not mention Knox coming into his store to buy cleaning supplies. The shop's other worker testified that Knox never came into the store the morning of the murder."

Amanda Knox Latest News: Lifetime movie full of mistakes, says CBS News producer - Crimesider - CBS News

LOL really?

Meredith Kercher murder: A new hole appears in Amanda Knox's alibi - Telegraph

Sorry to burst your bubble.

LOL yourself. You should know what you are talking about before you opine.

Stop trying to find excuses for her, and stick to the evidence then.

I don't care what you saw last night, or what is even being said right now. This case is dead. Even if there is an appeal, it is going nowhere.

It is going to the Italian supreme court. So again you are wrong.

How do you find the nerve to argue about an issue of which you know next to nothing?

Try doing some research, FIRST, then attempt to argue. This way, you won't seem so annoyingly misinformed.

Seems I know far more than you do...I aint the one linking movie reviews as evidence ...
 
Then prosecution should have easily been able to put her at the crime scene at the time of the crime. Could they? Beyond a reasonable doubt, was it done? To me the prosecution seemed to have conjecture, hearsay, supposition, and insult; but not much beyond that. That's not enough for murder conviction. Sorry. Maybe if she doesn't get out in time and Italy retries her, they can get another go at it. But they'll need better evidence.

Actually Knox put herself at the crime scene before she changed her tune only to change it again. The only physical evidence in the apartment was that of the 4 persons involved.. there was nothing to link anyone else but the 3.

Then you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was guilty, yes?

We aint in America. Reasonable doubt is an American thing. But as I stated before, I am torn. The police bungling of the evidence collecting and the way she acted after the murders pulls me in both directions. She acted guilty, and some of the evidence is tainted.... based on that no, I would never convict personally, but I would maintain my suspicion... much like OJ Simpson.

That Casey Anthony chick wasn't acting all grieving and was rather suspicious too. But we too had to let her go because we could not get the evidence to prove the crime. Evidence is necessary, not supposition.

Depends on the court, wealth, colour of the skin and how sexy the person is. Like it or not that is the sad fact of American justice.

Race card eh? Are you sure you're not just on one of your anti-American kicks?

Hey I aint the one going around on these boards and others places saying that "the black guy did it".
 
Actually Knox put herself at the crime scene before she changed her tune only to change it again. The only physical evidence in the apartment was that of the 4 persons involved.. there was nothing to link anyone else but the 3.

Yes, the woman that lived there also, her boyfriend and the murderer.

We aint in America. Reasonable doubt is an American thing. But as I stated before, I am torn. The police bungling of the evidence collecting and the way she acted after the murders pulls me in both directions. She acted guilty, and some of the evidence is tainted.... based on that no, I would never convict personally, but I would maintain my suspicion... much like OJ Simpson.

If you wouldn't convict her, what's your issue?

Depends on the court, wealth, colour of the skin and how sexy the person is. Like it or not that is the sad fact of American justice.

Sure, and the wealth, colour and sexiness factor didn't play into Italian culture, their media and their judicial system?...have you ever watched Italian television, or lived in their culture?

Hey I aint the one going around on these boards and others places saying that "the black guy did it".

The black drug dealer
 

Are you really citing a newspaper article from two and a half years ago which has been thoroughly debunked on this forum and elsewhere many times?

Stop trying to find excuses for her, and stick to the evidence then.

You, sir, are behaving like a fool. If you would take your own advice and stick to the evidence, you might notice that there is NOTHING linking her to the crime scene. None of her blood at the crime scene which would be practically impossible in a brutal murder; no phone conversations that suggest she or Sollecito ever even MET Rudy Guede, much less plotted a murder with him; and nothing indicating she was even present in the apartment on the night of the murder. Sorry, "zomg cartwheels" doesn't cut it for evidence of a murder.

Seems I know far more than you do...I aint the one linking movie reviews as evidence ...

You clearly know absolutely NOTHING about the case if you are citing evidence that was debunked years ago, and claiming that it's "blaming the black guy" to point out that the one obviously guilty person in the case is guilty.
 
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Depends on the court, wealth, colour of the skin and how sexy the person is. Like it or not that is the sad fact of American justice.

That seems to be the sad fact of YOUR idea of justice. You are the one who keeps bringing up the fact that she is an American. And you are the one who keeps playing the race card to exonerate Rudy Guede, who as far as I know has almost NO defenders outside of his own council because he's obviously guilty.
 
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