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Right. I don't know about your town, but the only thing aproaching a "militia" in mine are the bloods, and i'm pretty happy the athorities have the overwhelming force (like helicopters and swat vehicles) to keep them in check.

The romanticized vision of an oppressed citizenry taking up arms against a repressive government is antiquated. Even if you have an impressive stockpile of aks and 50 cals, they don't mater one bit when the tanks and choppers are fielded.

The militia bit made sense when muskets ruled the day, not when predator drones do.


I tend to agree. But I think you are looking this from a pure logistical point of view. Just the very act of a unified populace, willing to fight, and die to a man, against their current regime, would likely be all it took. You can't govern a grave yard. If you shoot the people that have the jobs, that make the money, that you tax in order to pay your salary, you no longer get a salary. And soldiers don't work for free. Guns and bullets cost money.

As for gangs, they can't be considered a militia, because they do not represent the people from which they arise. A militia, by definition, is, the people's army. Without that support, they are just warlords, and gangs.
 
The Constitution is very clear on what is meant by "the militia".

Your definition seems to not fit what the Constitution prescribes.

When the constitution was written, the word militia literally meant, any able bodied person with a gun.
 
It is time to water the tree of liberty? That is scary? Its the gun you say? Oh... I see. Should I get you a cup to pee in while you cower in the corner all day?



Maybe you need to work on your fear issues and stop assuming other people are messed up in the head for doing something you are scared of. Instead of just saying people are threating violence for doing but standing there.


The guy in the picture is for SURE advocating violence. The full quote goes as such “What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”

If that's not say, hey, I think it's time to shoot some tyrants, I don't know what is.
 
A monopoly on the legal use of force is the definition of government. Unless you're advocating armed revolution, I don't get it.

self defense is contrary to that and exists in proper societies
 
Like, FBI raids that don't require a warrent, only "reasonable doubt", one of the loosest legal terms we have right now? Would that be tyranny? How about someone taking money from you without consent, now without due representation, and to resist such theft, leads to prison or death? No one argues with me when I say that our current administration is, first and foremost, concerned about re-election, then money making, THEN actually representing their constituents. Most of you all would say, yeah, that sounds about right of DC these days. That means we are NOR represented. Yet we still have to pay for that lack of proper representation. Maybe that's what this guy is so pissed off about. But then folks like you are all like, "ZMOG, our government is NOT tyrannical!!!!" Says the person with a native american for his avatar. And again, I'm not condoning violence. The best revolutions, er, the most effective and long lasting, are ones completed without a shot fired. But I believe Benjamin Franklin had something to say regarding the idea of peaceful revolution. Not saying we are at that point. Not in my opinion, anyway. Many would say we are. Like that guy in the picture.


The guy with the gun in the picture threatening to spill blood?

WTF are you talking about???

What FBI raids did not require a warrant?

Who is taking money from you without your consent?

Take a deep breath and make your points clear enough that others can understand and respond to them.
 
The guy with the gun in the picture threatening to spill blood?

WTF are you talking about???

What FBI raids did not require a warrant?

Who is taking money from you without your consent?

Take a deep breath and make your points clear enough that others can understand and respond to them.

Have you heard of the patriot act? Law enforcement no longer needs a warrent to raid your facilities. Nor for wire taps, investigations, or anything else, for that matter. And there have been plenty of raids, and plenty of innocent people arrested, warrentless, since that thing passed. One that made the news that I can recall off the top of my head were the Liberty Dollar raids. THAT is tyranny. And yes, I am taxed against my will. I wouldn't mind it so much if I felt I had a say, but because my voting options are limited to a pile of crap with a D by their name, or a pile of crap with an R by their name, I feel pretty much unrepresented. And I'm far from alone. My head is always cool. Except when it's not.
 
Cmon dude, you know that its BLOOD you water the tree of liberty with. A guy with a gun on his hip saying its time for blood is threatening to most reasonable folks.

What?

Like a guy with a raging boner and a sign calling for the abolition of child molestation laws would be threatening to some people.

What? How is that threating? Did you ever consider people are just threated by really dumb ****?

I'm a Second amendment liberal, so save the "you just don't like guns" diversion.

I'm saying what the **** not "you just don't like guns"
 
What?



What? How is that threating? Did you ever consider people are just threated by really dumb ****?



I'm saying what the **** not "you just don't like guns"

Do you seriously NOT know the full quote from that sign?

Its Jefferson I believe,

Something like "the tree of liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Hence my boner/child molester/sign analogy.
 
"It is time to water the tree of liberty? That is scary? Its the gun you say? Oh... I see. Should I get you a cup to pee in while you cower in the corner all day? Maybe you need to work on your fear issues and stop assuming other people are messed up in the head for doing something you are scared of. Instead of just saying people are threating violence for doing but standing there."

The guy in the picture is for SURE advocating violence. The full quote goes as such “What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”

If that's not saying, "Hey, I think it's time to shoot some tyrants!", I don't know what is.


Right here, henrin.
 
Do you seriously NOT know the full quote from that sign?

Its Jefferson I believe,

Something like "the tree of liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Hence my boner/child molester/sign analogy.

He didn't quote the whole thing. Maybe he just likes that part? Ever think of that?
 
No.

Not even vaguely likely.

Because you assume the gun means violence and when you see parts of a quote you assume the whole quote. You still can't prove its not your own issues at play here.
 
Because you assume the gun means violence and when you see parts of a quote you assume the whole quote. You still can't prove its not your own issues at play here.

So your interpretation would be...?

He doesn't have a watering can.

I don't think he intends to pee on the tree of liberty.

Are you aware of any other "tree of liberty" quotes that he could be referring to?

Do you believe you could sell this line of reasoning to anybody with the sense of a cantaloupe?

Now begone! Or I shall mock you a second time!
 
Have you heard of the patriot act?

Yes, I have. Thanks for providing an example of what you were talking about before. It was incorporated under the Bush Administration and has not been removed under this administration. I was opposed to its creation and I am opposed to its continuation.

Law enforcement no longer needs a warrent to raid your facilities. Nor for wire taps, investigations, or anything else, for that matter. And there have been plenty of raids, and plenty of innocent people arrested, warrentless, since that thing passed.


Please list them (with links), I have heard of none of them.


One that made the news that I can recall off the top of my head were the Liberty Dollar raids. THAT is tyranny

Sounds like proper police work to address a crime.

"Conviction
Von NotHaus was convicted of "making, possessing and selling his own coins" on March 18, 2011, in Statesville, North Carolina, after a jury deliberated for less than two hours.[28] The jury found him guilty of one count under 18 U.S.C. § 485 and 18 U.S.C. § 2, one count of violating 18 U.S.C. § 486 and 18 U.S.C. § 2, and one count of conspiracy, under 18 U.S.C. § 371, to violate sections 485 and 486.[29] He faces up to 15 years in jail, a $250,000 fine, and may be forced to give $7 million worth of minted coins and precious metals to the government, weighing 16,000 pounds.[28] Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina, Anne M. Tompkins, described the Liberty Dollar as "a unique form of domestic terrorism" that is trying "to undermine the legitimate currency of this country".[30] The Justice Department press release quotes her as saying: "While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country."[30]

According to the Associated Press, "Federal prosecutors successfully argued that von NotHaus was, in fact, trying to pass off the silver coins as U.S. currency. Coming in denominations of 5, 10, 20, and 50, the Liberty Dollars also featured a dollar sign, the word "dollar" and the motto "Trust in God," similar to the "In God We Trust" that appears on U.S. coins".[31] VonNotHaus's attorney is appealing the decision and the arguments made by the prosecution in the case. Dollar, for example, is a term used by many nations for their currency and has a Czech, not American, origin."
Liberty Dollar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And yes, I am taxed against my will. I wouldn't mind it so much if I felt I had a say, but because my voting options are limited to a pile of crap with a D by their name, or a pile of crap with an R by their name, I feel pretty much unrepresented. And I'm far from alone. My head is always cool. Except when it's not.

We have had income taxes for almost a hundred years under both parties because a majority of the country approve of them as the means to fund government. If you feel unrepresented you have the power of the vote and you have the freedom to express your feelings publicly in protest, just the tea party did and just as the protestors are doing now on Wall Street and across the country.
 
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So your interpretation would be...?

He doesn't have a watering can.

I don't think he intends to pee on the tree of liberty.

Are you aware of any other "tree of liberty" quotes that he could be referring to?

Do you believe you could sell this line of reasoning to anybody with the sense of a cantaloupe?

Now begone! Or I shall mock you a second time!

Whatever you say. Read whatever you want into whatever you want with no proof what so ever. Then call people threating with that logic. I'm not going to join you, sorry.
 
Whatever you say. Read whatever you want into whatever you want with no proof what so ever. Then call people threating with that logic. I'm not going to join you, sorry.

So you're standing by your nonsense.

Some peoples kids, I guess.

I'm gonna have to remember where this one is for when I need a good laugh.

I fart in your general direction!
 
So you're standing by your nonsense.

Some peoples kids, I guess.

I'm gonna have to remember where this one is for when I need a good laugh.

I fart in your general direction!

If you can't defend your assumptions I have no reason to believe them.
 
If you can't defend your assumptions I have no reason to believe them.

He explained his assumptions and cannot be held responsible for your failure to understand them.
 
No, he didn't.

Originally Posted by What if...?
Cmon dude, you know that its BLOOD you water the tree of liberty with. A guy with a gun on his hip saying its time for blood is threatening to most reasonable folks.

It could hardly be more clear.
 
It could hardly be more clear.

Why would I go over this with you? I already responded to that and he failed to have a good reason for his thoughts.
 
I haven't been paying much attention to it. But if I do, I'll let you know.

That's what they all say:

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nobody is ignoring it. but why waste a perfectly good meme?
 
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