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More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

Khayembii Communique said:
This has nothing to do with my post that you quoted.
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In response to "The Tea Party was an Astroturf organized by corporate powers and promoted by Fox News, Wall Street protesters are a real grass roots organization".

You said "Uh, it's more than Fox News, it's the entire media establishment, including MSNBC, NPR and other so-called 'liberal' media outlets".

So how do you feel these media "promoted" and "organized" the Tea Party without reporting on it?
 
Voltaire X said:
Maybe he's a liberal at heart but his policies have been very centrist, as he is a poor negotiator and has caved into the right
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You should not have not picked a poor negotiator as President. What were the American people thinking??




There are many more factors in our level of debt than who the president currently is. Here are the major causation factors of the huge debt increase over the past decade:

Two very expensive wars
Ridiculous defense spending in general, we currently have 53,900 troops in Germany, 28,500 in South Korea, 32,800 in Japan
Overspending on national security, there are way too many agencies and it is totally over bloated
Bush tax cuts on the wealthy
Low corporate tax rates
Jobs being shipped overseas to increase corporate profits
Combating the economic recession that was caused by financial deregulation
Increased healthcare costs because insurance and pharmaceutical companies have too much power in D.C.
Subsidies to companies who don't deserve them; Exxonmobil for instance

Now I am not saying Obama has not contributed to these problems; he most certainly has, especially regarding the defense issues. However, the current Republican party is not addressing the vast majority of these problems, and is instead focusing on things like Obama's first two stimuluses.
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The United States is on a downward spiral because of its massive debt and living beyond its means. The good news is that there'll be plenty of people available who'll be happy to harvest fruit and vegetables
 
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Grant said:
You should not have not picked a poor negotiator as President. What were the American people thinking??






The United States is on a downward spiral because of its massive debt and living beyond its means. The good news is that there'll be plenty of people available who'll be happy to harvest fruit and vegetables
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Obama is still much better than McCain/Palin would have been. Of course there is no way to prove that as it is impossible to know what they would have done, but knowing how it ended up I would still support Obama if we had to do it all over. Our debt has been higher (as a % of our GDP) before, the magnitude of the debt is not what is causing our current economic problems. People aren't working, taxes are out of whack, and our allocation of spending needs to be drastically reformed. Then the debt can go down again, as it did following WWII when there was a strong middle class thanks to strong Democrats like Roosevelt and Truman. Eisenhower might as well be called a strong Democrat too, even though he was a Republican at the time the parties have shifted since then so he'd be considered a Democrat now.
 
Voltaire X said:
Obama is still much better than McCain/Palin would have been
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Do you think McCain was a poor negotiator as well? What evidence do you have of that?
Of course there is no way to prove that as it is impossible to know what they would have done, but knowing how it ended up I would still support Obama if we had to do it all over.
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And why not? He seems to have the economy in control and enjoys people's trust.
Our debt has been higher (as a % of our GDP) before, the magnitude of the debt is not what is causing our current economic problems. People aren't working, taxes are out of whack, and our allocation of spending needs to be drastically reformed. Then the debt can go down again, as it did following WWII when there was a strong middle class thanks to strong Democrats like Roosevelt and Truman. Eisenhower might as well be called a strong Democrat too, even though he was a Republican at the time the parties have shifted since then so he'd be considered a Democrat now.
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But Americans are a different people now than in earlier generations. Now the debt is largely entitlements, something the present generation has become accustomed to and will riot and destroy should they lose them. They are helpless without their entitlements.
 
j-mac said:
I used to look at crap like this and use it as validation that my theory of, what ever libs accuse conservatives of is in fact what they do. Remember, how libs in the media, and in here tried, and continue to try and paint Tea Partiers as "extreme", "Violent", or worse?

Well, I don't recall any stories of 700 Tea Partiers being arrested...We'd better be prepared, these leftists, and libs, could very well bring violence when Barry is booted from the WH, after Obama's is done stoking the division campaign he is starting now.


j-mac
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What violence??? Your article mentions no violence being carried out by protestors. I've not even heard of a threat of violence, like protestors wearing guns, as we saw in the teaparty rallies.
 
Catawba said:
What violence??? Your article mentions no violence being carried out by protestors. I've not even heard of a threat of violence, like protestors wearing guns, as we saw in the teaparty rallies.
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So If I wear a gun I'm at fault because you feel threatened?
 
alexxouellette said:
Your not at fault the second amendment guarantees your right to possess a firearm. However behavior of the type Catawba is referring to is slightly more indicative of violence than the wall street occupation.
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Seeing someone wearing a gun is just something people are scared of because of their own fear issues. It in no way means they're threating violence or being violent. People that claim these people are threating violence by wearing a gun are merely projecting their own fears.
 
Henrin said:
So If I wear a gun I'm at fault because you feel threatened?
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If you are wearing a gun while holding a sign condoning the bloodletting of your fellow citizens, then yes that is threatening violence more than blocking a street by comparison.
 
Catawba said:
If you are wearing a gun while holding a sign condoning the bloodletting of your fellow citizens, then yes that is threatening violence more than blocking a street by comparison.
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I ask for cuts in services to lower debt or maybe to not endure more debt and I pretty much always have a gun on my hip but because the two are together it threating to you? That still doesn't seem real to me.

And blocking a street for a month impedes business and losses people money that you will want taxed at large amounts to get some nice free stuff. Seems like you would call that threating to me.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm just going to address this portion. Sure, techincally it is POSSIBLE. But is it likely? It is possible to win the lottery, but not likely that most will. And too often, good people can't see their real options. And it is not unreasonabel to note that the person who starts the race with a two lap headstart will likely win more often than the one who doesn't, or who is held back by some burden. So, while it is again technically true that success is POSSIBLE. It is fair to ask how likely it is? And to not praise those who get the head start too much or condemn those who have much to overcome too much. We should try and keep some perspective.
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I am on my phone at the moment, so I will address this shortly..boo, you seem to think that because someone is born into a situation where they don't have the same chance as others in our society. I say that is bleeding heart crap. In fact, it is those in this country that come from poorer households that have, I argue more of a chance to divers than say those in the middle class.

A myriad of programs from EO, to grants, and specialized loans afford them the chance that a white middle class male doesn't get. And to continue the meme that they are somehow locked out of the system of higher education because of their social status is pure pap.

No one gave me anything and although I am not rich, I do ok. That is until the spoiled brats occupying wall st. Get their way.

J-mac
 
j-mac said:
I am on my phone at the moment, so I will address this shortly..boo, you seem to think that because someone is born into a situation where they don't have the same chance as others in our society. I say that is bleeding heart crap. In fact, it is those in this country that come from poorer households that have, I argue more of a chance to divers than say those in the middle class.

A myriad of programs from EO, to grants, and specialized loans afford them the chance that a white middle class male doesn't get. And to continue the meme that they are somehow locked out of the system of higher education because of their social status is pure pap.

No one gave me anything and although I am not rich, I do ok. That is until the spoiled brats occupying wall st. Get their way.

J-mac
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I don't think "those spoiled brats occupying Wall Street" want anything from you. They are the representatives of frustration. No jobs for them. No opportunities. No money to pay their loans back. OTOH that is not likely the majority of persons at the Wall Street prtoests. Their numbers swelled by thousands on the weekend when the working stiffs, with jobs, could get days off to participate.
 
Grant said:
So how do you feel these media "promoted" and "organized" the Tea Party without reporting on it?
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It doesn't have to do with whether or not it was reported on; it has to do with how it was reported, i.e. it was treated as a bottom-up mass grassroots movement when in reality it is a top-down, corporate-funded, vertically organized and hierarchical farce.
 
alexxouellette said:
I'm in my sophomore year of college and I work full time as an assistant manager at a restaurant.... I can honestly say beyond a shadow of doubt that given my current wage, how hard I work every day, and the limited range of upward mobility that I have, it is not a career worth pursuing. I hope you were just being sarcastic but given your user name I somehow doubt you were.
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I cannot speak to your specific employment and it is certainly true that being even a manager in a specific restaurant, especially fast-food, may not pay that well, but there are restaurants that do pay well. And, I will bet that being the top manager of a Macy's department store pays well too. And, having been a manager in the grocery business for a well-known national chain, I was paid as a rookie manager at 21 years of age much better than the average wage. Had I stayed in the grocery business, could I have made millions? No. But I would have continued to have great income for a lad who came out of poverty. Not everyone wants to be a doctor or a lawyer. There are well-paying jobs in the industry about which you speak. Maybe you will learn this sometime during your education.

And, no I was not being sarcastic and it has nothing to do with my political beliefs. It has to do with reality.
 
j-mac said:
I am on my phone at the moment, so I will address this shortly..boo, you seem to think that because someone is born into a situation where they don't have the same chance as others in our society. I say that is bleeding heart crap. In fact, it is those in this country that come from poorer households that have, I argue more of a chance to divers than say those in the middle class.

A myriad of programs from EO, to grants, and specialized loans afford them the chance that a white middle class male doesn't get. And to continue the meme that they are somehow locked out of the system of higher education because of their social status is pure pap.

No one gave me anything and although I am not rich, I do ok. That is until the spoiled brats occupying wall st. Get their way.

J-mac
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Really, so a rich person who gets to go to the best schools, college paid for, admitted not on merit, but because daddy can spend a few million on the school, who then has contacts with rich folk, who deal with friends doesn't have an advantage over the kid born in the projects, living on the streets, living with violence and drugs, and a crackhead for a parent? Is this really your position?

Sure, I took the extremes, but that's the point. While many things are possible they are not likely. Where you start is most likely where you will ened. Sure, there are exceptions, and they keep us believing, but they are exceptions. And the further you are on the extremes, the more exceptional it is.
 
What if...? said:
That "list of demands" was a forum post by a board member.

Coulda been somebody ON wall st trying to discredit, as easilg as a naive poster.
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Could have been but based on the remarks left, I'd say it's a site used by those who support the protest.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
It doesn't have to do with whether or not it was reported on; it has to do with how it was reported, i.e. it was treated as a bottom-up mass grassroots movement when in reality it is a top-down, corporate-funded, vertically organized and hierarchical farce.
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Only if you disregard that people really are pissed over our financial mess. Nobody of any account is going to vote for anyone running on the idea of $20 an hour minimum wage and forging all debt. They indeed will vote for those who argue that we must get our debt under control. (just the opposite of that the Wall Street protestors seem to be argueing).
 
1Perry said:
Could have been but based on the remarks left, I'd say it's a site used by those who support the protest.
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It was definitely a site for the protest, but the "demands" were a post on a board. And note the word "proposed".

Just like taking a post from HERE and presenting it as the goals of the board itself.
 
Damn that violent racist tea party! Serves them right being arrested!

Oh wait... :ssst:
 
Seeing someone wearing a gun is just something people are scared of because of their own fear issues. It in no way means they're threating violence or being violent. People that claim these people are threating violence by wearing a gun are merely projecting their own fears.
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Not it's because America has a history of crazy people unloading clips into crowds.
 
j-mac said:
No one gave me anything and although I am not rich, I do ok. That is until the spoiled brats occupying wall st. Get their way.

J-mac
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I wanted to address this separately j. I really don't believe this. Reminds me of my brother-in-law who is a doctor. He says exactly the same. he's wrong. His grandfather paid for his education. His grandmother on the other side gave him 5,000 a month for living expenses. That alone is someone giving to him. He likely also had friends and loved once who helped in all manner of ways as he went to school, all helping him achieve. I know I did. My wife was an emense help. A teacher who failed me when I was in HS left a seed that helped. Good liberals helped me see what I could not see before, that I could be. Church step up a couple of times, and some friends were there when things got the toughests, giving time, support, and times money. Anyone who says they did much of any major accomplish all by him or herself is likely mistaken.
 
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