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More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

mattillac said:
That is a pretty good quality video of what seems to be the beginning sangha, TY for posting it. http://glassbeadcollective.org/wallstreetoccupation/bridsge3_h264_sd.mov

IMO the protesters seem to be chanting take the bridge shortly before a few people in the front of the crowd walk towards the police at which point the police seem to retreat rather than fight the potential push of the crowd which probably would have created more of a mess.

It seems everyone handled things calmly for the most part and it surely could have turned out worse.

The protesters are probably more than likely willing to be charged with a misdemeanor in order to prove their point or gain attention.

From the video you posted IMO the protesters wanted to occupy the bridge.
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I agree. I have no doubt that SOME (many) protestors did want to occupy the bridge. I also have no doubt that the police ALLOWED them to do so when their job was to do the opposite.
 
sangha said:
Here's another video showing the police leading the protesters as they walk on the roadway

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So, protesters are apparently heading to walkway, big banner on front row.

Cops blocking entrance to roadway.

Cops with many pairs of hancuffs proceeds crowd onto bridge.

Cops blocking protesters suddenly turn around and lead protesters onto bridge.

Cops with cuffs proceed to area of bridge where the only way out is into the water, turn and block the bridge.

Other cops follow group of protesters onto bridge creating fourth side of box.

It DOES look fishy.

Video of the rear of the group that went onto the bridge would be useful.
 
What if...? said:
So, protesters are apparently heading to walkway, big banner on front row.

Cops blocking entrance to roadway.

Cops with many pairs of hancuffs proceeds crowd onto bridge.

Cops blocking protesters suddenly turn around and lead protesters onto bridge.

Cops with cuffs proceed to area of bridge where the only way out is into the water, turn and block the bridge.

Other cops follow group of protesters onto bridge creating fourth side of box.

It DOES look fishy.

Video of the rear of the group that went onto the bridge would be useful.
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So then what? They essentially rounded them up and arrested them?

I'm not sure what's going on with a lot of this crap here, it seems to me though that the entire episode was an exercise in Big Brother government.
 
Thunder said:
Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. Anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.



wow, these guys really are idiots to think even 25% of the American people would support such radical changes to our society.

as I said before, these idiots have no realistic goals.
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A majority supports a living wage
 
j-mac said:
:lamo:lamo Absolutely insane....These parasites are clearly the generation that wants everything without earning it.

j-mac
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They should be asking for more important and realistic demands

Like Obamas' birth certificate
 
Thunder said:
the majority of Americans support raising the Federal min. wage to $20 an hour or more?


evidence please.
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Google living wage polls

People disagree about what the exact amount should be (they range from 10/hr to over 20/hr) but support for a living wage is high

When you're negotiating, it's a good idea to demand MORE than what you'll settle for
 
But about 20 others headed for the Brooklyn-bound roadway, said Christopher T. Dunn of the New York Civil Liberties Union, who accompanied the march. Some of them chanted “take the bridge.” They were met by a handful of high-level police supervisors, who blocked the way and announced repeatedly through bullhorns that the marchers were blocking the roadway and that if they continued to do so, they would be subject to arrest.

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Mr. Browne said that the police did not trick the protesters into going onto the bridge.

“This was not a trap,” he said. “They were warned not to proceed.”

Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge - NYTimes.com
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So they were repeatedly warned to NOT block the roadway, and they did so anyway....case closed.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I used to look at crap like this and use it as validation that my theory of, what ever libs accuse conservatives of is in fact what they do. Remember, how libs in the media, and in here tried, and continue to try and paint Tea Partiers as "extreme", "Violent", or worse?

Well, I don't recall any stories of 700 Tea Partiers being arrested...We'd better be prepared, these leftists, and libs, could very well bring violence when Barry is booted from the WH, after Obama's is done stoking the division campaign he is starting now.


j-mac
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J, you over simplify and are actually using a minority to paint the whole both in using this article and how you paint those who oppose the Tea Party. Both sides have extremeists. Tea party memebers are more extremeist of the republican party, not that 100% of them are republican mine you. But those who join the tea party are LARGELY more extreme. Code pink is, for example, more extreme than you every day democrat or even the everyday liberal. Such groups tend to go too far. It is not partisan or sterotyping to say that.
 
Boo Radley said:
Tea party memebers are more extremeist of the republican party, not that 100% of them are republican mine you. But those who join the tea party are LARGELY more extreme.
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The tea party is an astroturf phenomenon, created, funded and perpetuated by corporate interests and the media. It doesn't exist as a real movement.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
The tea party is an astroturf phenomenon, created, funded and perpetuated by corporate interests and the media. It doesn't exist as a real movement.
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I actually think it was originallg a real thing, there was an attempt to coopt it into a rebranding of the republican party, astroturfing an actual lawn if you will, and the once in the national eye it went rogue and turned into Kochensteins Monster.

Real once more and actually powerful, but not necessarily in the way its big money patrons intended.
 
What if...? said:
I actually think it was originallg a real thing, there was an attempt to coopt it into a rebranding of the republican party, astroturfing an actual lawn if you will, and the once in the national eye it went rogue and turned into Kochensteins Monster.

Real once more and actually powerful, but not necessarily in the way its big money patrons intended.
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That's not how it atually happened. From the beginning, their protests were funded and promoted by big money interests in the republican party
 
Wiseone said:
I do exactly that already... Of course the story has to be truthful, but yes I am well aware hundreds if not thousands of tea party meetings and protests have occurred without arrests, violence, extremism, or any other kind of ridiculous shenanigans like blocking traffic and kudos to them. And I acknowledge that the incidents where tea parties have gotten out of control, been arrested, whatever don't speak for their entire movement.
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What incidents would those be?
 
What if...? said:
I actually think it was originallg a real thing
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I recommend you check out Paul Street's book Crashing the Tea Party. There was never anything grassroots about it.
 
Ikari said:
So then what? They essentially rounded them up and arrested them?

I'm not sure what's going on with a lot of this crap here, it seems to me though that the entire episode was an exercise in Big Brother government.
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Sometimes it is and somwtimes it isn't.

The incident I mentioned was at one of the big anti-war protests in New York. A march to a rally. Turnout was higher than anticipated, and there was a choke point getting into the venue for the rally. In large crowds in motion, when the front stops and the back doesn't, the middle gets squished, sometimes catastrophically.

The officers lining the route directed marchers onto a side street to "vent" the crowd pressure, bht when the crowd met the second line of cordons on tje next block they were told to turn back, but were unable to do so because they were being pushed from behind by people who thought they were following directions.

Things went downhill, but ultimately it was determined to be no ones fault and I think most charges from both sides were dropped when it became clear that this particular instance was simply accidental.

But the fact that there IS a term like "kettling" is indicative of it being a tactic, and could be part of an overall crowd control stategy for certain situations.

And just on general principles I would advise everyone to be sceptical of "instigators", we've all seen Cartman on South Park running around in a crowd using different voices to try to rouse the rabble.

I would certainly consider salting a crowd with artificial jackasses to discredit a protest against ME, or at a rally for my opponent.

Lots of starving actors in New York.

Them SuperPACs gotta spend that money somewhere!
 
Khayembii Communique said:
I recommend you check out Paul Street's book Crashing the Tea Party. There was never anything grassroots about it.
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So because some anti capitalist, radical, buffoon says it, and you agree with that tripe that Street writes, then it must be true eh?

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
So because some anti capitalist, radical, buffoon says it, and you agree with that tripe that Street writes, then it must be true eh?

j-mac
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It may well be true. It is possible for someone to be an anti capitalist, radical, buffoon to you, and still be correct. :coffeepap
 
Khayembii Communique said:
I recommend you check out Paul Street's book Crashing the Tea Party. There was never anything grassroots about it.
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I think there were actual groups with a history going back a ways that were actual grassroots organizations.

What I saw was Armey and the Kochs attempt to ccopt them in an attempt to rebrand the Republican Party (Now with 100% fewer family values homosexuals!)

And then those from the original movements, mixed with those drawn to it by the publicity derived from the astroturfing effort, grabbed the reins and returned to an actual movement.

This created a schism in the GOP that they are still trying to keep from dividing the party right before an election with a LOT of money riding on it.

Can you give me a quick breakdown of what the author of the book posits?
 
j-mac said:
So because some anti capitalist, radical, buffoon says it, and you agree with that tripe that Street writes, then it must be true eh?

j-mac
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What if...? said:
Sometimes it is and somwtimes it isn't.

The incident I mentioned was at one of the big anti-war protests in New York. A march to a rally. Turnout was higher than anticipated, and there was a choke point getting into the venue for the rally. In large crowds in motion, when the front stops and the back doesn't, the middle gets squished, sometimes catastrophically.

The officers lining the route directed marchers onto a side street to "vent" the crowd pressure, bht when the crowd met the second line of cordons on tje next block they were told to turn back, but were unable to do so because they were being pushed from behind by people who thought they were following directions.

Things went downhill, but ultimately it was determined to be no ones fault and I think most charges from both sides were dropped when it became clear that this particular instance was simply accidental.

But the fact that there IS a term like "kettling" is indicative of it being a tactic, and could be part of an overall crowd control stategy for certain situations.

And just on general principles I would advise everyone to be sceptical of "instigators", we've all seen Cartman on South Park running around in a crowd using different voices to try to rouse the rabble.

I would certainly consider salting a crowd with artificial jackasses to discredit a protest against ME, or at a rally for my opponent.

Lots of starving actors in New York.

Them SuperPACs gotta spend that money somewhere!
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I know, it was Bill Kristol running through the crowd, shouting 'we're not gonna take it....'

:roll:

j-mac
 
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