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More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

megaprogman said:
The charge was levelled against calling regular people extremists, which is something you just did and something you charged other people with doing.
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Don't evade....Answer my questions.

j-mac
 
This is part of Obama's plan and the reason he has been pushing for divisions between the rich and poor.

The really sad thing is, as I watch the interviews with protesters it becomes clear they are all 100% brainwashed and misinformed getting all the facts wrong and they miss the big picture.

For one thing I saw one of this idiots claim that 1% of the rich control 46% of the wealth.

WRONG,

The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per*cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes.

These fools don't seem to understand that the wealthy crate the majority of the jobs.

The protesters say they are fashioning there protest after Muslim Spring.

Well bad news because many of those uprisings ended in serious violence and the loss of life.

These crazies need to stop listening to Obama's push for class warfare he could lead them into something they cannot win.

I think when the break the law they need serious jail time, not just a slap on the limp wrist fine.

Don't think for one minute that I deel this way because I am somehow rich. That is almost funny. I feel this way because the wackos can have their own opinion but they cannot have their own facts.

They distort everything and what they don't distort they either get wrong, just make it up, or repeat something some other dumb-ass like Obama said.
 
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Exactly. They are being led like sheep.

Steve McCann has it right here...

The United States, faced with its worst crisis in sixty-five years, has at the helm a radical political class, as personified by Barack Obama, who have chosen a path trod by so many despots in mankind's recent history. Barack Obama and his fellow-travelers are exploiting the fear and desperation of a growing number of citizens amid gaping fissures in American society in order to retain and expand their control over the populace.
Human societies are held together by the most fragile of cords. Whenever unrelenting internal or external challenges abound, thereby placing excessive stress on the foundation of any society, the key determination as to whether chaos ensues is most often in the hands of the society's leaders. They can choose to exploit the circumstances in order to satisfy their lust for power, or they can embrace a course of action and policies to rally the citizenry into collectively overcoming the crisis at hand, regardless of the fractures in that society.
American society is no longer the cohesive and determined entity that accomplished so much over the past centuries; it is extraordinarily susceptible to manipulation by unscrupulous ideologues.

Articles: Obama's Contempt Bordering on Treachery
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j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Don't evade....Answer my questions.

j-mac
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Why would I? I have stated why I made my comment. Why are you trying attribute something to me that I did not say nor intend? Are you unable to debate me where I am at instead of by putting words in my mouth?
 
j-mac said:
Wow, imaagine that. We are on a political discussion board speaking politically....The horror!

Yes, I am speaking about this through a political lens, but seriously are you trying to paint yourself as anything other Jet? That's a good one, right down to the attack you level here.

j-mac
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Yea, but J-mac, wasn't it posters on this site who used photos from Tea Party demonstrations by non-tea party members put in place simply for photo ops holding racist signs to go against the tea party, who claimed that the "tea baggers" were nothing but racist thugs?

I seem to think I do recall that, and if necessary, will start naming names.
 
It is quiet obvious that J-Mac has an agenda. As j-Mac is all over the place on the thread it s difficult, however to determine what particular point he wants to discuss. J-Mac feels threatened, we get that. J-Mac hates the people protesting in NYC. Got it. So what is his point?
 
Risky Thicket said:
It is quiet obvious that J-Mac has an agenda. As j-Mac is all over the place on the thread it s difficult, however to determine what particular point he wants to discuss. J-Mac feels threatened, we get that. J-Mac hates the people protesting in NYC. Got it. So what is his point?
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His point is he is desperately searching for anything that can be used as a point to further is view, which is emotion rather than reason based. Watch and he will use any good sounding argument he can think of, no matter the situation surrounding it, whether is hypocritical, or plain silly to keep up his rage.

It is amusing to watch, ain't it?
 
Risky Thicket said:
It is quiet obvious that J-Mac has an agenda. As j-Mac is all over the place on the thread it s difficult, however to determine what particular point he wants to discuss. J-Mac feels threatened, we get that. J-Mac hates the people protesting in NYC. Got it. So what is his point?
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Some people debate more than others. I agree with him.

If they didn't have permits, was obstructing traffic and declined to follow police orders. Then police got full rights to arrest them.
 
Camlon said:
Some people debate more than others. I agree with him.

If they didn't have permits, was obstructing traffic and declined to follow police orders. Then police got full rights to arrest them.
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I agree, the police do have rights to arrest them. However, legal issues do not always have much to say about moral ones. The simple fact is, our current system is working less and less well for regular folks and we need to do something about it. If that means a little civil disobedience, than so be it.

We have far fewer protests and these sorts of things in this country than we should as voting is becoming less and less useful and the voice of the people are the basis of our sovereignty and legitimacy.
 
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It's a bit upsetting that there are those who will overlook the importance of the sit-in on Wall Street because it looks too "liberal" for them to care about.

Flash back about 1-2 years, and the same Conservatives were wondering why people weren't on board with the Tea Party.

As long as the partisan crap continues to rear its ugly head, Americans will never be able to work together to get the government to listen.
 
This saddens me greatly. The response to peaceful protest by citizens, on either side, is almost universally described as "a bunch of extremists", and dismissed. Even when that shoe fits (like the Tea Party), the whole affair should be treated with a little more respect. These protests are democracy happening right before our eyes. They're part of what makes America a free country. We need to respect that a whole lot more.

What these dismissals have done is trivialize the voice of citizens in the political process. Looking back, maybe we should have taken movements like the Tea Party a little more seriously. At least in terms of finding out what their actual, reasonable grievances were, as opposed to the wild stuff like the racism and the "keep your government hands off my medicare", and try to see how legitimate issues could really be addressed. The racism and all the "second amendment solution" threats of violence should certainly still be condemned, just as any violence from any crowd of people always should. As should any really outlandish desires of any group, like instituting anarchy or something like that. But when we ignore the voice of citizens who make the effort to speak out, we all lose.

As for these folks in New York... They have legitimate grievances against the business fatcats who caused the recession. Those same bankers then took the bailout money and stuck it in their own pockets, while continuing to fire workers and ship jobs overseas. These people are facing arrest in order to make a political message. That takes a lot of courage. Let's show some respect to that courage and listen to what they have to say.
 
Temporal said:
It's a bit upsetting that there are those who will overlook the importance of the sit-in on Wall Street because it looks too "liberal" for them to care about.

Flash back about 1-2 years, and the same Conservatives were wondering why people weren't on board with the Tea Party.

As long as the partisan crap continues to rear its ugly head, Americans will never be able to work together to get the government to listen.
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I agree, this is looking more and more like the flashpoint that is awakening the populist left, just like that stock broker guy's rant awakened the populist right.
 
Camlon said:
Some people debate more than others. I agree with him.

If they didn't have permits, was obstructing traffic and declined to follow police orders. Then police got full rights to arrest them.
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According to those who participate in protests, a phenomenon occurs enough to rouse suspicion where one group of officers directs the crowd to go a certain way and when they do, another group of cops arrests them for being where they were told to go.

A TV crew for Free Speech TV got caught up in and videoed an occurence of this.

It was determined that this incident was "fog of war". And the opinion of the reporters was that this is usually the case when this happens.
 
Paschendale said:
This saddens me greatly. The response to peaceful protest by citizens, on either side, is almost universally described as "a bunch of extremists", and dismissed. Even when that shoe fits (like the Tea Party), the whole affair should be treated with a little more respect. These protests are democracy happening right before our eyes. They're part of what makes America a free country. We need to respect that a whole lot more.

What these dismissals have done is trivialize the voice of citizens in the political process. Looking back, maybe we should have taken movements like the Tea Party a little more seriously. At least in terms of finding out what their actual, reasonable grievances were, as opposed to the wild stuff like the racism and the "keep your government hands off my medicare", and try to see how legitimate issues could really be addressed. The racism and all the "second amendment solution" threats of violence should certainly still be condemned, just as any violence from any crowd of people always should. As should any really outlandish desires of any group, like instituting anarchy or something like that. But when we ignore the voice of citizens who make the effort to speak out, we all lose.

As for these folks in New York... They have legitimate grievances against the business fatcats who caused the recession. Those same bankers then took the bailout money and stuck it in their own pockets, while continuing to fire workers and ship jobs overseas. These people are facing arrest in order to make a political message. That takes a lot of courage. Let's show some respect to that courage and listen to what they have to say.
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If the Boston Tea Party were to happen today, the Tea Party wingnuts would want them to be arrested.

I think it's a good thing that the left is showing the teabaggers how protests are supposed to work. Instead of being a picnic on the weekend, they have been there for two weeks now, and counting
 
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For anyone that is interested, this looks like a decent quality video of the event unfolding.

 
Councilman said:
This is part of Obama's plan and the reason he has been pushing for divisions between the rich and poor.

The really sad thing is, as I watch the interviews with protesters it becomes clear they are all 100% brainwashed and misinformed getting all the facts wrong and they miss the big picture.

For one thing I saw one of this idiots claim that 1% of the rich control 46% of the wealth.

WRONG,

The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per*cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes.

These fools don't seem to understand that the wealthy crate the majority of the jobs.

The protesters say they are fashioning there protest after Muslim Spring.

Well bad news because many of those uprisings ended in serious violence and the loss of life.

These crazies need to stop listening to Obama's push for class warfare he could lead them into something they cannot win.

I think when the break the law they need serious jail time, not just a slap on the limp wrist fine.

Don't think for one minute that I deel this way because I am somehow rich. That is almost funny. I feel this way because the wackos can have their own opinion but they cannot have their own facts.

They distort everything and what they don't distort they either get wrong, just make it up, or repeat something some other dumb-ass like Obama said.
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You have confused wealth with income.
 
Here is proof that the police led the protestors onto the Brooklyn Bridge. For the first three minutes, a row of police stand in front of the protestors, and the protesters do NOT walk onto the bridge. If you look to the sides, you can see many protestors heading to the walkway on the side of the bridge. At about 3:35, the cops turn around and lead the protestors onto the bridges roadway. If the cops had stayed put, the protesters would not have walked onto the bridge

This may take longer to load than some videos, because it's in the MOV format:
http://glassbeadcollective.org/wallstreetoccupation/bridsge3_h264_sd.mov

[video]http://glassbeadcollective.org/wallstreetoccupation/bridsge3_h264_sd.mov[/video]
 
Most of the people posting about the protestors being at fault here haven't actually been at a demonstration with police crackdowns or they wouldn't be saying what they are.
 
Here's another video showing the police leading the protesters as they walk on the roadway

 
That is a pretty good quality video of what seems to be the beginning sangha, TY for posting it. http://glassbeadcollective.org/wallstreetoccupation/bridsge3_h264_sd.mov

IMO the protesters seem to be chanting take the bridge shortly before a few people in the front of the crowd walk towards the police at which point the police seem to retreat rather than fight the potential push of the crowd which probably would have created more of a mess.

It seems everyone handled things calmly for the most part and it surely could have turned out worse.

The protesters are probably more than likely willing to be charged with a misdemeanor in order to prove their point or gain attention.

From the video you posted IMO the protesters wanted to occupy the bridge.
 
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These folks have no realistic goals or strategy.

Do they also not have jobs? Sure looks that way.
 
mattilac said:
IMO the protesters seem to be chanting take the bridge shortly before a few people in the front of the crowd walk towards the police at which point the police seem to retreat rather than fight the potential push of the crowd which probably would have created more of a mess.
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LOL yes the police are the victims here! It would've created much more of a mess rounding up hundreds of protestors off the bridge instead of on!
 
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