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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Maybe I'm just a bit more radical, but to me, if you wanted to make a change to the wall streeters, you absolutely have to manage to hurt the way they do business.
    How would you hurt the way they do business?


    I'm not against the idea, that things need to change, that the balance of power needs to return to the hands of ALL US citizens, not just consolidated in the few. But at no point is anyone decrying the lobbyists, senators, judges, presidents, etc, that have all acted together over the years, in bits and pieces, to create the framework we have now that enables wall street (super rich) such a strong hold on the reins of this country. I mean, ****, man, this has been going on for close to 100 years now. Every decade or so, we give up something more, one inch at a time, until those hands are around our necks, and it's been not just by our leave that this has been done, we've actually SUPPORTED the people doing it, with our voices, our votes, and our dollars. But no, all I really hear is evil wall street making all their money, giving nothing back to the people who they made it off of, hurting the middle class, etc etc etc. That's all.
    Social evolution is not a quick process. I am encouraged that people are standing up for it.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am guessing it is because greed is less noticeable in those living on a shoestring and more noticeable in those who's incomes have profited by the demise of the middle class.
    So you are saying that the CEOs of major corporations are living on a shoestring, or the players of the Miami Heat or trial lawyers who take a third of what an award is even if the award is no more than the person would have gotten from their insurance policy. Or the pawn shop that makes a 100% mark up for things they can flip in a day, or pay day check cashing companies, or small contractors that hire illegals versus U.S. workers because the illegals would work cheaper.

    I just worry when the populace looks for scapegoats of any kind. Maybe knowing that only because my grandparents got out of Europe in time so they and my parents were not turned into lampshades makes me worry about group being turned into scapegoats.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    My apologies ... 1 Republican and 1 who calls himself Alex Jones.

    Still not bi-partisan.
    So you've chosen to ignore the conservatives that marched in Austin and other cities? Whatever floats your boat, and I never said it was bi-partisan, only that there are conservatives that support many of the goals.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    So you are saying that the CEOs of major corporations are living on a shoestring, or the players of the Miami Heat or trial lawyers who take a third of what an award is even if the award is no more than the person would have gotten from their insurance policy. Or the pawn shop that makes a 100% mark up for things they can flip in a day, or pay day check cashing companies, or small contractors that hire illegals versus U.S. workers because the illegals would work cheaper.

    I just worry when the populace looks for scapegoats of any kind. Maybe knowing that only because my grandparents got out of Europe in time so they and my parents were not turned into lampshades makes me worry about group being turned into scapegoats.
    Earth to washunut: I said none of that.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    And why did these politicians do these things?

    At whose behest?

    Time to go after their actual bosses.

    Its kind of telling that the Dem politicians by and large are refusing to touch this.

    That means its working.
    WE are their bosses. It is up to US, not business men, though they are free to join us come election time. If you want to change wall street, without going the political rout, you're going to have to a slightly more radical rout. Wall Street has no legal obligation to any of us, and are therefore totally unconcerned what some group of people outside their office windows consuming products their subsidiary companies produce are doing. You either need to find proof of illegal activity and bring legal action against them, or you need to do something that would actually harm how they do business, disrupt their cash flow, alter their lives in some way as individuals.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How would you hurt the way they do business?
    If my only options in my mind was to direct my ire at them, and not at my elected representatives? I'd throw my chips in with hactivist groups, and do my damndest to bring all the trash to light I could, and have wikileaks, and a thousand other sites just like it, plastering this info on every surface of the internet I could afford.
    But the more effective way is to simply demand a change and a redress of grievances from washington. Of course, in order to intelligently do that, this mass of people would need to brush up on the subject, and truly understand all the links in the chain around our necks.


    Social evolution is not a quick process. I am encouraged that people are standing up for it.
    But this is not social evolution, this is just more class warfare. This is poor people decrying the foul deeds of the wealthy, and not a peep about the people who made the fortunes of these rich people, and their foul deeds, possible.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Well. THAT came out weird. Bare with me, I'm trying to get up to speed on this stuff.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    But this is not social evolution, this is just more class warfare. This is poor people decrying the foul deeds of the wealthy, and not a peep about the people who made the fortunes of these rich people, and their foul deeds, possible.
    It is social evolution, not a political rally for any particular party. And you still didn't answer my question about how you said you would harm the way wall street does business. How?
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is social evolution, not a political rally for any particular party. And you still didn't answer my question about how you said you would harm the way wall street does business. How?
    I did, but my post came out all screwy for some reason.

    If my only options in my mind was to direct my ire at them, and not at my elected representatives? I'd throw my chips in with hactivist groups, and do my damndest to bring all the trash to light I could, raid every email, plunder every hard drive, and have wikileaks, and a thousand other sites just like it, plastering this info on every surface of the internet I could afford. Would that be wrong? Sure. But personally, I feel that these giant megacorporations and an affront to my rights as a US citizen. In other words, open season, I say.

    But the more effective way is to simply demand a change and a redress of grievances from washington. Of course, in order to intelligently do that, this mass of people would need to brush up on the subject, and truly understand all the links in the chain around our necks.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Oh...and for now, it's social evolution, in the same way the tea party started out as such, and we saw how that went. You may not believe me, and hell, maybe I'm wrong, but I'll bet my bottom dollar this group goes the same way, and just ends up as the tea party's mirror on the other side of the aisle.

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