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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That would make sense... I mean a few thousand people in NYC can't be cheap to feed... or to clothe, or to provide soap and water, bathrooms. It's a wonder no one's asking who these benevolent donations are coming from isn't it? I know when I go to NYC, just for lunch I'll spend $25 bucks easy. Coffee is $7 and I'm not talking Starbucks here either.
    You're not telling the truth. Coffee can be bought an nearly every street corner of NYC for $1 or less.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

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    Yeah, and Buddy is probably the last one..
    Apparently not:

    "The 1,300 Austinites who gathered at City Hall on Thursday for the Occupy Austin protest couldn’t have been more diverse. They were young and old, fanatical and skeptical, liberal and conservative."
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    "The Occupy the Fed protests – led by Alex Jones, the Oathkeepers and other conservatives – are targeting the Federal Reserve."
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    But it's not doing anything. The BEST this can HOPE to do, is to inspire some POLITICAL CANDIDATES to "promise" to represent the people over big business IF he/she gets elected. If people feel they are no longer being represented by the folks we have empowered to do just that, THOSE are the ones to go after. But no one wants to do THAT, because THAT means taking responsibility for our poor choices. Owning up to the fact that WE inflicted these people onto ourselves. Doing that means admitting that, by far and large, most americans know next to nothing, really, about their chosen race horses they bet on from year to year. Most folks vote on TV ads, and wall street demonstrations is NOT going to make a difference there, I promise. Most folks couldn't tell you how their own senators voted on key issues if their LIVES depended on it, even though to properly educate yourself on what kind of votes they make is a task of, what, 20 minutes, tops? Before the internet, we all had an excuse. No more. But yet there they are, flying the flags of their anger into the wrong faces, giving voice to their grievances to the wrong ears, ears of people who wouldn't make any changes even IF they had the power to do so, because they have NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO ANYONE IN THIS COUNTRY.

    Picketing wall street has not, in any way, harmed wall street. Last I checked, the DOW is up. My 401K is gaining. If ANYTHING, they are using products made and sold to them BY those large corporations, namely, one of the most evil I can think of, Nestle Foods. Those sammies those folks are eating, those pizzas, they are all made with ingredients likely supplied by Nestle and their many subsidiaries, as is the bottled water they are probably guzzling by the gallon. Way to hit "the man" where it hurts, lol.
    The protest goals never were to "harm" Wall Street, it was about waking people up to the greed on Wall Street that is having a detrimental effect on the middle class. And to say it is doing nothing is underestimating the effect of bringing into the political discussion issues vital to main street that were not being pursued by either party.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The protest goals never were to "harm" Wall Street, it was about waking people up to the greed on Wall Street that is having a detrimental effect on the middle class. And to say it is doing nothing is underestimating the effect of bringing into the political discussion issues vital to main street that were not being pursued by either party.
    Just wonder why people point to the greed of wall street as if we do not see this type of greed throughout society. Does Apple have to charge what they do for a computer or a phone that ordinary people buy. Does a rock band have to charge the prices they do for a concert, how about Nike, they charge so much for their desired sneakers ( made in China) that people get robbed for them.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Just an example of bipartisan support for not providing bailout's to Wall street while letting main street continue to sink.
    One republican isn't bi-partisan support.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The protest goals never were to "harm" Wall Street, it was about waking people up to the greed on Wall Street that is having a detrimental effect on the middle class. And to say it is doing nothing is underestimating the effect of bringing into the political discussion issues vital to main street that were not being pursued by either party.
    Maybe I'm just a bit more radical, but to me, if you wanted to make a change to the wall streeters, you absolutely have to manage to hurt the way they do business. I'm not against the idea, that things need to change, that the balance of power needs to return to the hands of ALL US citizens, not just consolidated in the few. But at no point is anyone decrying the lobbyists, senators, judges, presidents, etc, that have all acted together over the years, in bits and pieces, to create the framework we have now that enables wall street (super rich) such a strong hold on the reins of this country. I mean, ****, man, this has been going on for close to 100 years now. Every decade or so, we give up something more, one inch at a time, until those hands are around our necks, and it's been not just by our leave that this has been done, we've actually SUPPORTED the people doing it, with our voices, our votes, and our dollars. But no, all I really hear is evil wall street making all their money, giving nothing back to the people who they made it off of, hurting the middle class, etc etc etc. That's all.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Just wonder why people point to the greed of wall street as if we do not see this type of greed throughout society. Does Apple have to charge what they do for a computer or a phone that ordinary people buy. Does a rock band have to charge the prices they do for a concert, how about Nike, they charge so much for their desired sneakers ( made in China) that people get robbed for them.
    I am guessing it is because greed is less noticeable in those living on a shoestring and more noticeable in those who's incomes have profited by the demise of the middle class.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    One republican isn't bi-partisan support.
    Already addressed that above here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059864446
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    My apologies ... 1 Republican and 1 who calls himself Alex Jones.

    Still not bi-partisan.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Maybe I'm just a bit more radical, but to me, if you wanted to make a change to the wall streeters, you absolutely have to manage to hurt the way they do business. I'm not against the idea, that things need to change, that the balance of power needs to return to the hands of ALL US citizens, not just consolidated in the few. But at no point is anyone decrying the lobbyists, senators, judges, presidents, etc, that have all acted together over the years, in bits and pieces, to create the framework we have now that enables wall street (super rich) such a strong hold on the reins of this country. I mean, ****, man, this has been going on for close to 100 years now. Every decade or so, we give up something more, one inch at a time, until those hands are around our necks, and it's been not just by our leave that this has been done, we've actually SUPPORTED the people doing it, with our voices, our votes, and our dollars. But no, all I really hear is evil wall street making all their money, giving nothing back to the people who they made it off of, hurting the middle class, etc etc etc. That's all.
    And why did these politicians do these things?

    At whose behest?

    Time to go after their actual bosses.

    Its kind of telling that the Dem politicians by and large are refusing to touch this.

    That means its working.
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