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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We have a thread on it, and no. Your misunderstandings don't equal a valid comparison. It is also not an issue of good or bad. it is more whether we should or not, use our money to prop up corporations. If you want to argue that good is the standard for what we do, then government can get involved in all kinds of ways I'm sure you won't support.
    I think the Obama administration has done a great disservice too the American people by getting involved with big corporations and using public money to do so. It is the scandal of the age, the worst in American history, and will someday be recognized as such. An investigation should be started immediately.

    The idea that a President could pour billions of tax dollars into a huge variety of companies and corporations, with little public oversight, would have been unthinkable not all that long ago. Now the American people are many trillions of dollars in debt with absolutely nothing to show for it, and no way of paying it back. It is a disgrace.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I think the Obama administration has done a great disservice too the American people by getting involved with big corporations and using public money to do so. It is the scandal of the age, the worst in American history, and will someday be recognized as such. An investigation should be started immediately.

    The idea that a President could pour billions of tax dollars into a huge variety of companies and corporations, with little public oversight, would have been unthinkable not all that long ago. Now the American people are many trillions of dollars in debt with absolutely nothing to show for it, and no way of paying it back. It is a disgrace.
    But it was great when bush* and the republicans did it!!!
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If I claimed something, why not offer up the quotes? You should know how the system works by now.
    You pulled out the race card

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    Such as Affirmative Action?
    Now try and deny it
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If I claimed something, why not offer up the quotes? You should know how the system works by now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    ...We have recent evidence that there is open racism at the OWS, on this thread in fact, while there was no demonstration of racism during the tea party protests....
    denying your own posts, is pretty pathetic.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Hypocrisy crosses party lines. Surely you guys don't believe conservatives are above this kind of behavior.

    Just off the top of my head:

    -- Decrying political correctness and claiming to defend the constitution while demanding that Muslims not exercise freedom of religion if its near ground zero.
    This was a bipartisan at the best position. NYC overall was against them building a mosque. There isn't enough "conservatives" in NYC to make a bit of a difference. (they should be able to)

    -- Championing the tea party as "great Americans" exercising their constitutional freedoms while denigrating the Occupy Wall Streeters and Wisconsin protesters as thugs for doing the same thing.
    As far as your arguement here, I agree. It's O.K. to state your opposition, but protest from one side is just as "American" as from another.

    The Marxist, Communist arguements are pretty stupid.

    -- Demanding that nobody should care what CEOs and very wealthy people earn while decrying teachers' "gold-plated benefits."
    Sorry, we veer somewhat here. I care less what a CEO makes as long as they have not required public support to keep his job. We should have put the CEO's who got a bail out on a salary similiar to what a public employee would have made. There is only so much public money to go around. If one wants to pay teachers more (which is a valid arguement) it must be taken from somewhere else). This is the problem I have. The idea that it's a good idea to pay them more with no regard that this money actually has to come from somewhere.

    -- Ridiculing "politically correct" language while rolling out politically loaded terms like "death panels" and "job creators."
    Other countries do have death panels. If the government in the end is going to run health care, we are going to have death panels. You know, I support this. There is going to be rationing where someone decides that no your 89 year old grandma is not going to get a transplant. Call it what you want but it's enevitable and IMO it's best to just call it what it is.

    So many view their political opponents with close-minded orthodoxy. It's politically effective. It's simple. But it's not accurate or constructive -- at least not if we're interested in pragmatic governance.
    Bottom line though is that we basically agree.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I think the Obama administration has done a great disservice too the American people by getting involved with big corporations and using public money to do so. It is the scandal of the age, the worst in American history, and will someday be recognized as such. An investigation should be started immediately.

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    I agree but Bush allowed it to happen.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This was a bipartisan at the best position. NYC overall was against them building a mosque. There isn't enough "conservatives" in NYC to make a bit of a difference. (they should be able to)
    You're drowning in the rightwing BS stereotype that NYC is all liberal dems. We've have years of rightwing mayors, and governors. We regularly vote for republicans. But the bottom line was that the opposition to the mosque came from the republican right.



    Sorry, we veer somewhat here. I care less what a CEO makes as long as they have not required public support to keep his job. We should have put the CEO's who got a bail out on a salary similiar to what a public employee would have made. There is only so much public money to go around. If one wants to pay teachers more (which is a valid arguement) it must be taken from somewhere else). This is the problem I have. The idea that it's a good idea to pay them more with no regard that this money actually has to come from somewhere.
    And that's similar to what OWS is protesting

    Other countries do have death panels. If the government in the end is going to run health care, we are going to have death panels. You know, I support this. There is going to be rationing where someone decides that no your 89 year old grandma is not going to get a transplant. Call it what you want but it's enevitable and IMO it's best to just call it what it is.
    That's a completely inane argument. Other nations (Iraq, Aghanistan, Syria, USSR) have had elections. That doesn't mean elections will lead the US to implement the same policies as they have
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You pulled out the race card



    Now try and deny it
    Any mention of affirmative action, whether one is for it or against it, is the 'race card'?

    Incredible!

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Any mention of affirmative action, whether one is for it or against it, is the 'race card'?

    Incredible!
    I predicted you would deny it.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    denying your own posts, is pretty pathetic.
    Show me something that occurred during the tea party protests and I'll be proven wrong.

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