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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

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    That pretty much explains Affirmative Action, regardless of any good intentions.
    Again, no it doesn't. It is your misunderstanding of Affirmation Action that makes you think it does. it doesn't. All that is required by law with AA is that you prove you did not disciminate due to race. I can't help that you have been msinformed.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I'm saying no such thing. My point is clear: Asinine behavior exists on both sides. Pretending otherwise is pure posturing.
    That bad behavior exists is hardly newsworthy, but we can also look at proportions. What similarities and differences to you see between the Tea Party crowds and the OWS crowds? Are they the same? Live videos, and there are plenty, tell the difference.

    Tea partiers have in fact been arrested in isolated incidents. One conviction in particular I can recall involved a threat to Rep. Buccieri. There were other instances of uncouth behavior, inane rants, offensive signage. You exaggerate the differences, noting that minor arrests are often a goal of protesters.
    Then lets see them rather than just making the claims. Do they compare at all with the number of arrests by the OWS crowd?

    Public workers have negotiated contracts; strikes are uncommon.
    That's often because the politicians give in to the pressure because they are giving out taxpayers money rather than their own. The Obama Administration is still hiring government workers and giving money and power to the unions in order to get their votes. Its an obvious conflict of interest and too many Americans don't seem to care about it. The corruption is evident and its manifesting itself in different ways now because this administration has, understandably in my view, little respect for the American electorate.
    Of course there are job creators. But I also understand the use of rhetoric and crafted messages. Job creators is a strategic term meant to win sympathy.
    That might be your own feelings your dealing with and that's something which cannot be debated.
    Obama's been pragmatic in negotiations at times, more idealist in '08-'09 and again recently. He's clearly a calculating politician, so he's a pragmatist when it suits his needs.
    Exactly. But he is not so pragmatic when it comes to the country's needs.
    WSO is an idealist movement, as is the tea party.
    The motives of the Tea Party are quite clear, as is their message. I don't see where the WSO is being idealistic at all. That word has become much abused recently and is an obvious attempt to excuse all sorts of anti social behavior.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

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    right. calling Obama a Kenyan Muslim Communist had nothing to do with racism. using Hispanic immigrants as a scapegoat has nothing to do with racism. accusing ALL Muslims of terrorism, has nothing to do with racism.

    your dishonesty on this matter is stunning.
    Where is all of this coming from? That has not been under discussion and I have no idea who you're referring to. Perhaps you're on the wrong thread.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That bad behavior exists is hardly newsworthy, but we can also look at proportions. What similarities and differences to you see between the Tea Party crowds and the OWS crowds? Are they the same? Live videos, and there are plenty, tell the difference.
    The difference is that the rigthwingers can only get a crowd on a weekend and need corporate funding and media promotion in order to get attention. OWS is a real grass roots movement that takes no corporate money and is not promoted by any major media network.



    Then lets see them rather than just making the claims. Do they compare at all with the number of arrests by the OWS crowd?
    Teabaggers make threats of violence and make no sacrifice besides going to a picnic on a weekend. OWS protesters make no threats, and sacrifice their time 24/7, and risk jail to protest unjust laws and do so without using violent or racist language

    Rightwing Authoritarians just don't understand civil disobedience. They're so ignorant, they think the "disobedience" part means "obey all laws"



    That's often because the politicians give in to the pressure because they are giving out taxpayers money rather than their own. The Obama Administration is still hiring government workers and giving money and power to the unions in order to get their votes. Its an obvious conflict of interest and too many Americans don't seem to care about it. The corruption is evident and its manifesting itself in different ways now because this administration has, understandably in my view, little respect for the American electorate.
    The wingnuts are so delusional they think that 6.9% of the population are deciding elections


    That might be your own feelings your dealing with and that's something which cannot be debated.
    No, it's how the rightwing authoritarians pretend that it's the big corporations who are creating jobs, when the facts is it's the american worker who creates jobs in this country. Corporations just ship those jobs overseas to China




    The motives of the Tea Party are quite clear, as is their message. I don't see where the WSO is being idealistic at all. That word has become much abused recently and is an obvious attempt to excuse all sorts of anti social behavior.
    So is this the message of the teabaggers?


    Or is this the message?


    Or this?


    Or this?
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where is all of this coming from? That has not been under discussion and I have no idea who you're referring to. Perhaps you're on the wrong thread.
    The rightwingers have to pretend they don't understand anything. The pretend that they don't know what the protesters want. They pretend they don't know what the protests are about. They prentend they don't know about the violent threats of the teabaggers. They pretend they don't know about the racist acts by the teabaggers. They pretend they don't know what civil disobedience is.

    Their ignorance knows no bounds
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

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    Again, no it doesn't. It is your misunderstanding of Affirmation Action that makes you think it does. it doesn't. All that is required by law with AA is that you prove you did not disciminate due to race. I can't help that you have been msinformed.
    I really don't want to debate the merits, or shortcomings, of Affirmative Action because I support the idea. We can clearly see it has been abused over the years but has also done a great deal of good.

    That would apply as well to Corporations, which was under discussion at the time.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Where is all of this coming from? That has not been under discussion and I have no idea who you're referring to. Perhaps you're on the wrong thread.
    you claimed that there is no racism in any tea-party protests. I was simply exposing the dishonesty of your silly claim.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

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    you claimed that there is no racism in any tea-party protests. I was simply exposing the dishonesty of your silly claim.
    Grant pulled out the race card, and the he pretends that racism is not part of the discussion
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I really don't want to debate the merits, or shortcomings, of Affirmative Action because I support the idea. We can clearly see it has been abused over the years but has also done a great deal of good.

    That would apply as well to Corporations, which was under discussion at the time.
    We have a thread on it, and no. Your misunderstandings don't equal a valid comparison. It is also not an issue of good or bad. it is more whether we should or not, use our money to prop up corporations. If you want to argue that good is the standard for what we do, then government can get involved in all kinds of ways I'm sure you won't support.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you claimed that there is no racism in any tea-party protests. I was simply exposing the dishonesty of your silly claim.
    If I claimed something, why not offer up the quotes? You should know how the system works by now.

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