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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    It is quiet obvious that J-Mac has an agenda. As j-Mac is all over the place on the thread it s difficult, however to determine what particular point he wants to discuss. J-Mac feels threatened, we get that. J-Mac hates the people protesting in NYC. Got it. So what is his point?










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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It is quiet obvious that J-Mac has an agenda. As j-Mac is all over the place on the thread it s difficult, however to determine what particular point he wants to discuss. J-Mac feels threatened, we get that. J-Mac hates the people protesting in NYC. Got it. So what is his point?
    His point is he is desperately searching for anything that can be used as a point to further is view, which is emotion rather than reason based. Watch and he will use any good sounding argument he can think of, no matter the situation surrounding it, whether is hypocritical, or plain silly to keep up his rage.

    It is amusing to watch, ain't it?

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

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    Exactly. They are being led like sheep.

    Steve McCann has it right here...



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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It is quiet obvious that J-Mac has an agenda. As j-Mac is all over the place on the thread it s difficult, however to determine what particular point he wants to discuss. J-Mac feels threatened, we get that. J-Mac hates the people protesting in NYC. Got it. So what is his point?
    Some people debate more than others. I agree with him.

    If they didn't have permits, was obstructing traffic and declined to follow police orders. Then police got full rights to arrest them.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Some people debate more than others. I agree with him.

    If they didn't have permits, was obstructing traffic and declined to follow police orders. Then police got full rights to arrest them.
    I agree, the police do have rights to arrest them. However, legal issues do not always have much to say about moral ones. The simple fact is, our current system is working less and less well for regular folks and we need to do something about it. If that means a little civil disobedience, than so be it.

    We have far fewer protests and these sorts of things in this country than we should as voting is becoming less and less useful and the voice of the people are the basis of our sovereignty and legitimacy.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    It's a bit upsetting that there are those who will overlook the importance of the sit-in on Wall Street because it looks too "liberal" for them to care about.

    Flash back about 1-2 years, and the same Conservatives were wondering why people weren't on board with the Tea Party.

    As long as the partisan crap continues to rear its ugly head, Americans will never be able to work together to get the government to listen.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    This saddens me greatly. The response to peaceful protest by citizens, on either side, is almost universally described as "a bunch of extremists", and dismissed. Even when that shoe fits (like the Tea Party), the whole affair should be treated with a little more respect. These protests are democracy happening right before our eyes. They're part of what makes America a free country. We need to respect that a whole lot more.

    What these dismissals have done is trivialize the voice of citizens in the political process. Looking back, maybe we should have taken movements like the Tea Party a little more seriously. At least in terms of finding out what their actual, reasonable grievances were, as opposed to the wild stuff like the racism and the "keep your government hands off my medicare", and try to see how legitimate issues could really be addressed. The racism and all the "second amendment solution" threats of violence should certainly still be condemned, just as any violence from any crowd of people always should. As should any really outlandish desires of any group, like instituting anarchy or something like that. But when we ignore the voice of citizens who make the effort to speak out, we all lose.

    As for these folks in New York... They have legitimate grievances against the business fatcats who caused the recession. Those same bankers then took the bailout money and stuck it in their own pockets, while continuing to fire workers and ship jobs overseas. These people are facing arrest in order to make a political message. That takes a lot of courage. Let's show some respect to that courage and listen to what they have to say.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    It's a bit upsetting that there are those who will overlook the importance of the sit-in on Wall Street because it looks too "liberal" for them to care about.

    Flash back about 1-2 years, and the same Conservatives were wondering why people weren't on board with the Tea Party.

    As long as the partisan crap continues to rear its ugly head, Americans will never be able to work together to get the government to listen.
    I agree, this is looking more and more like the flashpoint that is awakening the populist left, just like that stock broker guy's rant awakened the populist right.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Some people debate more than others. I agree with him.

    If they didn't have permits, was obstructing traffic and declined to follow police orders. Then police got full rights to arrest them.
    According to those who participate in protests, a phenomenon occurs enough to rouse suspicion where one group of officers directs the crowd to go a certain way and when they do, another group of cops arrests them for being where they were told to go.

    A TV crew for Free Speech TV got caught up in and videoed an occurence of this.

    It was determined that this incident was "fog of war". And the opinion of the reporters was that this is usually the case when this happens.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This saddens me greatly. The response to peaceful protest by citizens, on either side, is almost universally described as "a bunch of extremists", and dismissed. Even when that shoe fits (like the Tea Party), the whole affair should be treated with a little more respect. These protests are democracy happening right before our eyes. They're part of what makes America a free country. We need to respect that a whole lot more.

    What these dismissals have done is trivialize the voice of citizens in the political process. Looking back, maybe we should have taken movements like the Tea Party a little more seriously. At least in terms of finding out what their actual, reasonable grievances were, as opposed to the wild stuff like the racism and the "keep your government hands off my medicare", and try to see how legitimate issues could really be addressed. The racism and all the "second amendment solution" threats of violence should certainly still be condemned, just as any violence from any crowd of people always should. As should any really outlandish desires of any group, like instituting anarchy or something like that. But when we ignore the voice of citizens who make the effort to speak out, we all lose.

    As for these folks in New York... They have legitimate grievances against the business fatcats who caused the recession. Those same bankers then took the bailout money and stuck it in their own pockets, while continuing to fire workers and ship jobs overseas. These people are facing arrest in order to make a political message. That takes a lot of courage. Let's show some respect to that courage and listen to what they have to say.
    If the Boston Tea Party were to happen today, the Tea Party wingnuts would want them to be arrested.

    I think it's a good thing that the left is showing the teabaggers how protests are supposed to work. Instead of being a picnic on the weekend, they have been there for two weeks now, and counting
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