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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

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    You just said "OK" and then more 'seems to me you're saying" stuff. I cannot debate with anyone who who makes up arguments for me and then responds to them. Instead you can continue to debate with yourself.
    Your need for literality is cowardly and hypocritical. You have no trouble ascribing motives and opinions to others, but hide behind your own words when challenged.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your need for literality is cowardly and hypocritical. You have no trouble ascribing motives and opinions to others, but hide behind your own words when challenged.
    My need for literality?

    Yes, I think it's important that we express ourselves clearly and also respond to other posts accurately. You seem to think this attitude is "cowardly and hypocritical" however, which explains why your posts tend to be wildly exaggerated with little concern for facts. That doesn't say much for the your education.

    Yes, I do use my own words and see nothing wrong with that. You apparently use words that just pop into your head, as does the poster I was referring to, and that seems acceptable. To each his own I suppose.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Like I said, the left rejected violent people like SDS members, while the right defends and embraces the violence.
    Difference is, the violent ones the left CREATED actually engaged in terrorism, while being rejected, and the people like this guy in the picture, does nothing but remind people of the potential. And you'll find just as many people today on the so called right who would denounce this guy, as you would find people on the left in the 60s and 70 who applauded the actions of the weathermen, black panthers, and other such groups.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    He was at a political rally for pete's sake, not fending off armed thugs from the government out to get him. How would I define tyranny? - Armed thugs from the government out to get you.
    Like, FBI raids that don't require a warrent, only "reasonable doubt", one of the loosest legal terms we have right now? Would that be tyranny? How about someone taking money from you without consent, now without due representation, and to resist such theft, leads to prison or death? No one argues with me when I say that our current administration is, first and foremost, concerned about re-election, then money making, THEN actually representing their constituents. Most of you all would say, yeah, that sounds about right of DC these days. That means we are NOR represented. Yet we still have to pay for that lack of proper representation. Maybe that's what this guy is so pissed off about. But then folks like you are all like, "ZMOG, our government is NOT tyrannical!!!!" Says the person with a native american for his avatar. And again, I'm not condoning violence. The best revolutions, er, the most effective and long lasting, are ones completed without a shot fired. But I believe Benjamin Franklin had something to say regarding the idea of peaceful revolution. Not saying we are at that point. Not in my opinion, anyway. Many would say we are. Like that guy in the picture.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    A monopoly on the legal use of force is the definition of government. Unless you're advocating armed revolution, I don't get it.
    What I like the most about this is, Catawba and Sangha "like" this comment, which to me, seems to mean they wholeheartedly approve of the idea that our government is, and SHOULD be, monopolizers on the legal use of force.

    I'M not advocating armed revolution, but the guy in this pictures seems to be. And I believe it is his right to do so. To ADVOCATE, at least.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Right. I don't know about your town, but the only thing aproaching a "militia" in mine are the bloods, and i'm pretty happy the athorities have the overwhelming force (like helicopters and swat vehicles) to keep them in check.

    The romanticized vision of an oppressed citizenry taking up arms against a repressive government is antiquated. Even if you have an impressive stockpile of aks and 50 cals, they don't mater one bit when the tanks and choppers are fielded.

    The militia bit made sense when muskets ruled the day, not when predator drones do.

    I tend to agree. But I think you are looking this from a pure logistical point of view. Just the very act of a unified populace, willing to fight, and die to a man, against their current regime, would likely be all it took. You can't govern a grave yard. If you shoot the people that have the jobs, that make the money, that you tax in order to pay your salary, you no longer get a salary. And soldiers don't work for free. Guns and bullets cost money.

    As for gangs, they can't be considered a militia, because they do not represent the people from which they arise. A militia, by definition, is, the people's army. Without that support, they are just warlords, and gangs.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Constitution is very clear on what is meant by "the militia".

    Your definition seems to not fit what the Constitution prescribes.
    When the constitution was written, the word militia literally meant, any able bodied person with a gun.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It is time to water the tree of liberty? That is scary? Its the gun you say? Oh... I see. Should I get you a cup to pee in while you cower in the corner all day?



    Maybe you need to work on your fear issues and stop assuming other people are messed up in the head for doing something you are scared of. Instead of just saying people are threating violence for doing but standing there.

    The guy in the picture is for SURE advocating violence. The full quote goes as such “What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”

    If that's not say, hey, I think it's time to shoot some tyrants, I don't know what is.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    A monopoly on the legal use of force is the definition of government. Unless you're advocating armed revolution, I don't get it.
    self defense is contrary to that and exists in proper societies



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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Like, FBI raids that don't require a warrent, only "reasonable doubt", one of the loosest legal terms we have right now? Would that be tyranny? How about someone taking money from you without consent, now without due representation, and to resist such theft, leads to prison or death? No one argues with me when I say that our current administration is, first and foremost, concerned about re-election, then money making, THEN actually representing their constituents. Most of you all would say, yeah, that sounds about right of DC these days. That means we are NOR represented. Yet we still have to pay for that lack of proper representation. Maybe that's what this guy is so pissed off about. But then folks like you are all like, "ZMOG, our government is NOT tyrannical!!!!" Says the person with a native american for his avatar. And again, I'm not condoning violence. The best revolutions, er, the most effective and long lasting, are ones completed without a shot fired. But I believe Benjamin Franklin had something to say regarding the idea of peaceful revolution. Not saying we are at that point. Not in my opinion, anyway. Many would say we are. Like that guy in the picture.

    The guy with the gun in the picture threatening to spill blood?

    WTF are you talking about???

    What FBI raids did not require a warrant?

    Who is taking money from you without your consent?

    Take a deep breath and make your points clear enough that others can understand and respond to them.
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