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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    It's premature to talk about armed revolution, this isn't anything like that dimension. I do love that people are protesting and not stopping though.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

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    Well, hey - at least we're still promoting democracy in Libya.
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    It's premature to talk about armed revolution, this isn't anything like that dimension. I do love that people are protesting and not stopping though.
    I'm glad people are protesting too.

    Like the protests in Syria, people here in America are concerned about price hikes on everything from gas, to food, rent, and education. (the Rent is Too Damn High Party) and the austerity cuts there threaten the peoples living standard, and wage cuts like in America are causing high anxiety.

    Syria: Who is Behind The Protest Movement? | Scoop News

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not at all, however, to me this is threatening violence:

    So jail time - arrest and a warning? Only when it's the tea party or does it apply with the Occupy Wall Street / Union crowd too?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    It's premature to talk about armed revolution, this isn't anything like that dimension. I do love that people are protesting and not stopping though.

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    At one time American liked the idea of a meritocracy. Now they just want a share in the profits of those who have been more successful than them.


    A hard fact of life is that barring health problems or similar unforeseen problems not of our choosing, we each rise in this world according to our own abilities and efforts and that will be so under most systems, no matter what they might be. The United States was one of the few countries in the world that encouraged individuality, to rise on your own merits, or not. And not rising was not really that big a deal if you preferred to live your life another way.

    Now it seems that people expect success without effort and that others should achieve success for them. These people are out on the street protesting and that's just where they should be in their lives. They'll remain as they are today for the rest of their days, and their tiime on the streets, being on TV and all, will be the highlight of their lives.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    The thought process should bother you it is scary. That being said it seems that by pointing to extremes you tarnish the entire group. In the 60s, there a group called the SDS. An anti-war leftist group that actually did physical harm to people. Back then I didn't think it was fair to brand all anti-war folks, myself included with a fringe group. Is was used then by conservatives to smear the entire anti-war movement. Seems like a mirror image of what the left is now doing.
    The difference is that in the 60's and 70's, those violennt groups were rejected by the left. These days, the gun toting wingnuts are defended and embraced by the right and rightwing politicians who use similar rhetoric and symbology are touted as heroes and elected to office
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Constitution is very clear on what is meant by "the militia".

    Your definition seems to not fit what the Constitution prescribes.
    The Constitution does not define 'The Militia'. The US Code does and it is pretty clear. There are both the organized and unorganized militias. It defines who is, who is not, and in fact the requirements for exclusion (conscientious objector status).

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not at all, however, to me this is threatening violence:

    It is time to water the tree of liberty? That is scary? Its the gun you say? Oh... I see. Should I get you a cup to pee in while you cower in the corner all day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    Well, it's largely knid of silly, and I do worry about anyone who would wear one. The head can't be that clear.
    Maybe you need to work on your fear issues and stop assuming other people are messed up in the head for doing something you are scared of. Instead of just saying people are threating violence for doing but standing there.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    BS. How would you have any idea how the Tea Party Movement is funded? My wife and I have had three Tea Party meetings in our house.....we sponsored those dinners/meeting. My family, along with dozens of friends, went to DC on both 9-12 Tea Party rallies and nobody paid us anything to do that. We, along with a few more million people, contribute money to run the Tea Party organizations.

    Since you made the claim, prove it. Show us how much money has been spent by the Tea Party movement and show us how much was funded by PAC's. You do have this information, don't you?
    OWs takes no corporate money. Teabaggers have taken corporate money from the get-go

    FreedomWorks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity both originated from a campaign called Citizens for a Sound Economy, which split in two in 2004. CSE was set up by businessman David Koch (Koch Industries).[3] Citizens for a Sound Economy merged with Empower America in 2004 and was renamed FreedomWorks, with Dick Armey, Jack Kemp and C. Boyden Gray serving as co-chairmen, Bill Bennett focusing on school choice as a Senior Fellow, and Matt Kibbe as President and CEO.[4][5][contradiction] Empower America was founded in 1993 by William Bennett, former Secretary of HUD Jack Kemp, former Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, and former Representative Vin Weber.[6] In December 2006, Steve Forbes joined the board of directors.[7]

    The ‘Freedomworks’ name was derived from a common Armey saying: “Freedom works. Freedom is good policy and good politics.” [8]

    ...In 2009, FreedomWorks responded to the growing number of Tea party protests across the United States, and is currently one of several groups active in the "Tea Party" tax protests.[13] Among other activities, they run boot camps for supporters of any Republican candidates, including spending over $10 million on the 2010 elections on campaign paraphernalia alone. The required reading list for new employees includes Saul Alinsky,[14] Frédéric Bastiat and Ayn Rand.[15] Rolling Stone and Talking Points Memo allege that FreedomWorks helps run the Tea Party Patriots.[16][17] Tea Party Patriots denies this claim.[citation needed]

    For the 2010 Congressional elections, FreedomWorks has endorsed a number of candidates, including Marco Rubio, Pat Toomey, Mike Lee, and Rand Paul.[18]

    [edit] Funding

    FreedomWorks is primarily funded by individual donations. According to the progressive media watchdog group Media Matters for America, FreedomWorks has also received funding from Verizon and SBC (now AT&T).[19] Other FreedomWorks funders have included Philip Morris and foundations controlled by the Scaife family, according to tax filings and other records.[20][21] It also receives funding through the sale of insurance policies through which policyholders automatically become members of FreedomWorks.[22]

    FreedomWorks is closely tied to its founder, corporate lobbyist and former Republican Congressman Dick Armey, whose former lobbying firm DLA Piper from which he resigned in August 2009, represents Bristol Myers Squibb, among other pharmaceutical companies.[23][24]

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    Most of FreedomWorks' campaigns have been called "astroturfing," and some claim that they project a false impression of grassroots organizing.[25][26][27]

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    In an article in the August 30, 2010 issue of The New Yorker magazine, author Jane Mayer links the billionaire brothers David Koch and Charles Koch, owners of Koch Industries to tea party movement funding. Mayer writes,


    The anti-government fervor infusing the 2010 elections represents a political triumph for the Kochs. By giving money to “educate,” fund, and organize Tea Party protesters, they have helped turn their private agenda into a mass movement. Bruce Bartlett, a conservative economist and a historian, who once worked at the National Center for Policy Analysis, a Dallas-based think tank that the Kochs fund, said, “The problem with the whole libertarian movement is that it’s been all chiefs and no Indians. There haven’t been any actual people, like voters, who give a crap about it. So the problem for the Kochs has been trying to create a movement.” With the emergence of the Tea Party, he said, “everyone suddenly sees that for the first time there are Indians out there—people who can provide real ideological power.” The Kochs, he said, are “trying to shape and control and channel the populist uprising into their own policies.[1]

    Reports indicate that the Tea Party Movement benefits from millions of dollars from conservative foundations that are derived from wealthy U.S. families and their business interests. Is appears that money to organize and implement the Movement flows primarily through two conservative groups: Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks.
    The Billionaires Bankrolling the Tea Party - NYTimes.com

    There’s just one element missing from these snapshots of America’s ostensibly spontaneous and leaderless populist uprising: the sugar daddies who are bankrolling it, and have been doing so since well before the “death panel” warm-up acts of last summer. Three heavy hitters rule. You’ve heard of one of them, Rupert Murdoch. The other two, the brothers David and Charles Koch, are even richer, with a combined wealth exceeded only by that of Bill Gates and Warren Buffett among Americans. But even those carrying the Kochs’ banner may not know who these brothers are.

    Their self-interested and at times radical agendas, like Murdoch’s, go well beyond, and sometimes counter to, the interests of those who serve as spear carriers in the political pageants hawked on Fox News. The country will be in for quite a ride should these potentates gain power, and given the recession-battered electorate’s unchecked anger and the Obama White House’s unfocused political strategy, they might.

    All three tycoons are the latest incarnation of what the historian Kim Phillips-Fein labeled “Invisible Hands” in her prescient 2009 book of that title: those corporate players who have financed the far right ever since the du Pont brothers spawned the American Liberty League in 1934 to bring down F.D.R. You can draw a straight line from the Liberty League’s crusade against the New Deal “socialism” of Social Security, the Securities and Exchange Commission and child labor laws to the John Birch Society-Barry Goldwater assault on J.F.K. and Medicare to the Koch-Murdoch-backed juggernaut against our “socialist” president.
    Tea Party Funding Koch Brothers Emerge From Anonymity - Peter Fenn (usnews.com)

    Tea Party group to announce major new funding
    The Billionaire Koch Brothers’ War Against Obama : The New Yorker
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post
    I'm glad people are protesting too.

    Like the protests in Syria, people here in America are concerned about price hikes on everything from gas, to food, rent, and education. (the Rent is Too Damn High Party) and the austerity cuts there threaten the peoples living standard, and wage cuts like in America are causing high anxiety.

    Syria: Who is Behind The Protest Movement? | Scoop News
    I'm certainly not a fan of Barrack Obama or his administration but he'd have a long way to go before he ever compared with the Syrian government.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's clear that as soon as they block bridges and plug up streets they are doing more than "protesting". They became a mob.

    They are also unwittingly (of course) contributing to a huge Republican victory in the next elections.
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