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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    That's not the point, though. The point is, we have the right to deny government, or anyone else for that matter, the ability to obtain a monopoly on the threat, or use of, force.
    A monopoly on the legal use of force is the definition of government. Unless you're advocating armed revolution, I don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The american population is the largest standing militia in the world. During the american revolution, children, mothers, preachers, BECAME that militia. And THAT is what the 2nd amendment is about.
    Right. I don't know about your town, but the only thing aproaching a "militia" in mine are the bloods, and i'm pretty happy the athorities have the overwhelming force (like helicopters and swat vehicles) to keep them in check.

    The romanticized vision of an oppressed citizenry taking up arms against a repressive government is antiquated. Even if you have an impressive stockpile of aks and 50 cals, they don't mater one bit when the tanks and choppers are fielded.

    The militia bit made sense when muskets ruled the day, not when predator drones do.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The american population is the largest standing militia in the world. During the american revolution, children, mothers, preachers, BECAME that militia. And THAT is what the 2nd amendment is about.
    The Constitution is very clear on what is meant by "the militia".

    Your definition seems to not fit what the Constitution prescribes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Constitution is very clear on what is meant by "the militia".

    Your definition seems to not fit what the Constitution prescribes.
    I think I will defer to the SCOTUS on this matter and not you.

    BTW - where in the Constitution is this matter resolved? Are you saying the Federalist Papers aren't relevant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    However, one could say that the Weathmen Underground, the splinter from SDS that actually committed the violence, are partly responsible for the US to call it quits in Vietnam. They "brought the war home", so to speak. Forcing americans to lose their stomach for it, once it was in rural USA. Not condoning, mind...just pointing out it's over all effectiveness.
    Not sure if you are from that era, but that is not my sense. At the peak of the war we were losing 400 kids a WEEK. If that happened for one week now, we would be out immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Right. I don't know about your town, but the only thing aproaching a "militia" in mine are the bloods, and i'm pretty happy the athorities have the overwhelming force (like helicopters and swat vehicles) to keep them in check.

    The romanticized vision of an oppressed citizenry taking up arms against a repressive government is antiquated. Even if you have an impressive stockpile of aks and 50 cals, they don't mater one bit when the tanks and choppers are fielded.

    The militia bit made sense when muskets ruled the day, not when predator drones do.
    Yea, you dont want to mess with those Democrat presidents do you?

    Shooting a guys wife, baby, young son & dog all because he supposedly had an illegal weapon was showing them right wing militia types who was the boss huh? oh & then there was the burning alive of dozens of women & children with a flame throwing tank.

    Imagine what the Obama regime would do if you gave them the excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Yea, you dont want to mess with those Democrat presidents do you?

    Shooting a guys wife, baby, young son & dog all because he supposedly had an illegal weapon was showing them right wing militia types who was the boss huh? oh & then there was the burning alive of dozens of women & children with a flame throwing tank.

    Imagine what the Obama regime would do if you gave them the excuse.
    Don't misunderstand me -I'm sort of on your side with Patriot's Day, Ruby, etc... I just think it's a futile response. As you might have noticed, big gov is sort of undefeated when it comes down to firepower. My position is pragmatic, not idealistic.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    Don't misunderstand me -I'm sort of on your side with Patriot's Day, Ruby, etc... I just think it's a futile response. As you might have noticed, big gov is sort of undefeated when it comes down to firepower. My position is pragmatic, not idealistic.
    Thats assuming of course that the military go's along with massacring there own neibors and family members. My guess is that you'd see alot of defections & advanced weaponry being confiscated & used back against the goverment. So I dont think it would be quite the one sided slaughter you seem to think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Thats assuming of course that the military go's along with massacring there own neibors and family members. My guess is that you'd see alot of defections & advanced weaponry being confiscated & used back against the goverment. So I dont think it would be quite the one sided slaughter you seem to think.
    No... once again I completely agree with you: defections with real weapons would be the only way rebellion could be sustained anywhere... but not with just the hunting rifles. Thus leading me back to my assertion that the 2nd ammendment today is rather irrelevant to its original purpose, and not up to the task of being any strategic check on government power anyway.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Well, hey - at least we're still promoting democracy in Libya.

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