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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    I agree, it's NOT unreasonable to be concerned. If someone took matters into their own hands, and shot an elected representative, they are, in affect, denying the people who elected said representative their voice.

    HOWEVER. I try to always view things from both sides, and here is my take on this. There is a LOT of anger in this country, because every single election cycle, we keep ending up with more of the same. With the advent of the internet, I think our population is becoming more and more aware of just how bad things are starting to get, in terms of political corruption, scandals, blatant lies to the american public, and in general, the fact that it seems our representatives act in their own best interest FIRST, and ours as a DISTANT afterthought, and ONLY if the two coincide. It not their goal to make american a better place to live, anymore. Their primary goal is to retain their seat in the office, secondary seems to be, more and more, to make money, via kickbacks, money laundering, drugs, and public office perks. And THEN they consider acting in the best interest of the people of this country. And it seems that our voices are being taken away from us, both in the form of a lack of viable options for government office holders, but also in the form of monetary values being the major decider in winning or losing a race, both federal, AND local. When this happens, what are we to do? What are out most effective, viable options for affecting a change that will result in a freer, better represented society? There are no redresses of grievances anymore. Every try calling your senator? Or sending an email? I have. Useless.

    "We petitioned, we demonstrated, we sat in. I was willing to get hit over the head, I did; I was willing to go to prison, I did. To me, it was a question of what had to be done to stop the much greater violence that was going on."
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    That violence he speaking of was the Vietnam war. But now we face another, altogether different kind of violence. Economic violence. We are getting squeezed, both by taxes, and by the .01% of wealthy that rule this land. What would you have this man do, and others like him?

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    I'm going to guess the pictured man isn't part of a "well-regulated militia."
    The american population is the largest standing militia in the world. During the american revolution, children, mothers, preachers, BECAME that militia. And THAT is what the 2nd amendment is about.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by nijato View Post
    I'm going to guess the pictured man isn't part of a "well-regulated militia."
    The american population is the largest standing militia in the world. During the american revolution, children, mothers, preachers, BECAME that militia. And THAT is what the 2nd amendment is about.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The american population is the largest standing militia in the world. During the american revolution, children, mothers, preachers, BECAME that militia. And THAT is what the 2nd amendment is about.
    I doubt that is completely true today. The world is a lot different today. We might be able to become something like Palestine and Israel, but we could not fight a war like we did back then.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    So you think the 2nd amendment is there for citizens to defend themselves against things like Native American raids, petty thieves, and trespassers? Not trying to start an argument, just wondering about your opinion on the purpose behind the second amendment.
    It was to address tyranny, not to grandstand a political preference during an election campaign.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Except I never said "the right wing" generally; I said "the real[ly] right wing".
    Wow... that makes like... SO much difference.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you reading the posts at all or am I responding to a monkey with a keyboard?
    The latter one...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I doubt that is completely true today. The world is a lot different today. We might be able to become something like Palestine and Israel, but we could not fight a war like we did back then.
    That's not the point, though. The point is, we have the right to deny government, or anyone else for that matter, the ability to obtain a monopoly on the threat, or use of, force.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It was to address tyranny, not to grandstand a political preference during an election campaign.
    First of all, you don't know that isn't the point this person is making. Second, how exactly would you define tyranny?

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    First of all, you don't know that isn't the point this person is making. Second, how exactly would you define tyranny?
    He was at a political rally for pete's sake, not fending off armed thugs from the government out to get him. How would I define tyranny? - Armed thugs from the government out to get you.
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