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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm just going to address this portion. Sure, techincally it is POSSIBLE. But is it likely? It is possible to win the lottery, but not likely that most will. And too often, good people can't see their real options. And it is not unreasonabel to note that the person who starts the race with a two lap headstart will likely win more often than the one who doesn't, or who is held back by some burden. So, while it is again technically true that success is POSSIBLE. It is fair to ask how likely it is? And to not praise those who get the head start too much or condemn those who have much to overcome too much. We should try and keep some perspective.
    I am on my phone at the moment, so I will address this shortly..boo, you seem to think that because someone is born into a situation where they don't have the same chance as others in our society. I say that is bleeding heart crap. In fact, it is those in this country that come from poorer households that have, I argue more of a chance to divers than say those in the middle class.

    A myriad of programs from EO, to grants, and specialized loans afford them the chance that a white middle class male doesn't get. And to continue the meme that they are somehow locked out of the system of higher education because of their social status is pure pap.

    No one gave me anything and although I am not rich, I do ok. That is until the spoiled brats occupying wall st. Get their way.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am on my phone at the moment, so I will address this shortly..boo, you seem to think that because someone is born into a situation where they don't have the same chance as others in our society. I say that is bleeding heart crap. In fact, it is those in this country that come from poorer households that have, I argue more of a chance to divers than say those in the middle class.

    A myriad of programs from EO, to grants, and specialized loans afford them the chance that a white middle class male doesn't get. And to continue the meme that they are somehow locked out of the system of higher education because of their social status is pure pap.

    No one gave me anything and although I am not rich, I do ok. That is until the spoiled brats occupying wall st. Get their way.

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    I don't think "those spoiled brats occupying Wall Street" want anything from you. They are the representatives of frustration. No jobs for them. No opportunities. No money to pay their loans back. OTOH that is not likely the majority of persons at the Wall Street prtoests. Their numbers swelled by thousands on the weekend when the working stiffs, with jobs, could get days off to participate.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant
    So how do you feel these media "promoted" and "organized" the Tea Party without reporting on it?
    It doesn't have to do with whether or not it was reported on; it has to do with how it was reported, i.e. it was treated as a bottom-up mass grassroots movement when in reality it is a top-down, corporate-funded, vertically organized and hierarchical farce.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by alexxouellette View Post
    I'm in my sophomore year of college and I work full time as an assistant manager at a restaurant.... I can honestly say beyond a shadow of doubt that given my current wage, how hard I work every day, and the limited range of upward mobility that I have, it is not a career worth pursuing. I hope you were just being sarcastic but given your user name I somehow doubt you were.
    I cannot speak to your specific employment and it is certainly true that being even a manager in a specific restaurant, especially fast-food, may not pay that well, but there are restaurants that do pay well. And, I will bet that being the top manager of a Macy's department store pays well too. And, having been a manager in the grocery business for a well-known national chain, I was paid as a rookie manager at 21 years of age much better than the average wage. Had I stayed in the grocery business, could I have made millions? No. But I would have continued to have great income for a lad who came out of poverty. Not everyone wants to be a doctor or a lawyer. There are well-paying jobs in the industry about which you speak. Maybe you will learn this sometime during your education.

    And, no I was not being sarcastic and it has nothing to do with my political beliefs. It has to do with reality.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am on my phone at the moment, so I will address this shortly..boo, you seem to think that because someone is born into a situation where they don't have the same chance as others in our society. I say that is bleeding heart crap. In fact, it is those in this country that come from poorer households that have, I argue more of a chance to divers than say those in the middle class.

    A myriad of programs from EO, to grants, and specialized loans afford them the chance that a white middle class male doesn't get. And to continue the meme that they are somehow locked out of the system of higher education because of their social status is pure pap.

    No one gave me anything and although I am not rich, I do ok. That is until the spoiled brats occupying wall st. Get their way.

    J-mac
    Really, so a rich person who gets to go to the best schools, college paid for, admitted not on merit, but because daddy can spend a few million on the school, who then has contacts with rich folk, who deal with friends doesn't have an advantage over the kid born in the projects, living on the streets, living with violence and drugs, and a crackhead for a parent? Is this really your position?

    Sure, I took the extremes, but that's the point. While many things are possible they are not likely. Where you start is most likely where you will ened. Sure, there are exceptions, and they keep us believing, but they are exceptions. And the further you are on the extremes, the more exceptional it is.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    That "list of demands" was a forum post by a board member.

    Coulda been somebody ON wall st trying to discredit, as easilg as a naive poster.
    Could have been but based on the remarks left, I'd say it's a site used by those who support the protest.

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It doesn't have to do with whether or not it was reported on; it has to do with how it was reported, i.e. it was treated as a bottom-up mass grassroots movement when in reality it is a top-down, corporate-funded, vertically organized and hierarchical farce.
    Only if you disregard that people really are pissed over our financial mess. Nobody of any account is going to vote for anyone running on the idea of $20 an hour minimum wage and forging all debt. They indeed will vote for those who argue that we must get our debt under control. (just the opposite of that the Wall Street protestors seem to be argueing).

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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Could have been but based on the remarks left, I'd say it's a site used by those who support the protest.
    It was definitely a site for the protest, but the "demands" were a post on a board. And note the word "proposed".

    Just like taking a post from HERE and presenting it as the goals of the board itself.
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    Damn that violent racist tea party! Serves them right being arrested!

    Oh wait...
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    Re: More than 700 arrested in Wall Street protest

    so, do these Wall St. protestors have any realistic & achievable goals yet?

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