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    Re: Obama: Commander in chief must support gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hell, not only did it happen at an event he was at...he was the one saying it!

    Obama: troops just airraiding villages and killing civilians - YouTube
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    You have no ****ing clue what he was talking about there do you?
    I'm sure most of the right doesn't know. Fox is famous for taking sound bites out of context and then telling them what to believe about the altered message. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

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    Re: Obama: Commander in chief must support gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    I'm sure most of the right doesn't know. Fox is famous for taking sound bites out of context and then telling them what to believe about the altered message. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
    I wonder if he realizes that Bush was talking about the same problem at the time?
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    Re: Obama: Commander in chief must support gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it was Log cabin Republicans who filed the suit agasint DADT ...that ended in a decision of DADT being unconstitutional.

    at the time is was passed, Democrat Sam Nunn led the opposition for keeping the total ban on homosexuals.. and Republican Barry Goldwater led the charge for full repeal... Clinton compromised with DADT.



    what was that about historical revision again?
    Anecdotal. Clearly conservatives are, in general, more strongly opposed to various rights of homosexuals, including the right to serve openly.
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    Re: Obama: Commander in chief must support gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You have no ****ing clue what he was talking about there do you?
    I think that would be you. Don't get testy, because I made your boy look like an idiot.

    Want me to post the link showing Jack Murtha falsely accusing four Marines of murder? Who spoke up then, about denying those men their right to due process? Was it Obama?
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    Re: Obama: Commander in chief must support gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Anecdotal. Clearly conservatives are, in general, more strongly opposed to various rights of homosexuals, including the right to serve openly.
    That's a right?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama: Commander in chief must support gay troops

    I understand apdst's argument, if this incident had not occurred at a Republican convention or debate or whatever it was, I'm sure he wouldn't have said anything. So is Obama doing this in part for political points? Of course. However he is right in what he said regardless of why he said it, if there's truely no distinction made between gay and straight Soldiers than Republicans and anyone else should have the same opinion if a Soldier is being booed regardless if he is gay or not, that obviously was not the case.

    Now we can't also expect Obama or the President in the future to come out with a public statement everyone with a bit of marginal media time says something or does something like this, however again clearly because there was an opportunity to influence politics he made this statement.

    In the end what matters is that we recognize that booing a gay Soldier is unacceptable.

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    Re: Obama: Commander in chief must support gay troops

    Here's two videos of the incident here:

    GOP Debate Audience Members Boo Gay Solider - YouTube

    Crowd boos gay soldier at GOP debate - YouTube

    They both cut off right as the booing stops and Rick Santorm is about to answer the question, and it sounds pretty clear to me that its NOT the entire audience, and its probably 2 or perhaps a hand full of guys at the most. AND I think its quite probably the case that they were booing not the gay Soldier for being gay, but booing because they didn't support the repeal of DADT which is what that guy was asking about. Now to me its two different things, to others it may be the same thing and to me it would be worse to boo at a Soldier than it is to boo at a policy.

    Also I don't blame Republicans or Rick for not commenting on the booing during the debate because:
    1) They only have a limited time to answer questions.
    2) The booing only lasted for a second.
    3) There are staff at these events to handle the problems of rowdy or noisy audience members.
    4) The candidate has to think quickly, again given the amount he has to answer, he's probably more focused on answering the question than addressing two noise makers.

    Of course he could have addressed them in his response which he failed to do because they were both about the same subject, the booing and question that is, however its hardly a point to criticize him about

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    Re: Obama: Commander in chief must support gay troops

    Of course he could have addressed them in his response which he failed to do because they were both about the same subject, the booing and question that is, however its hardly a point to criticize him about
    Actually it is quite easy, he does not support homosexuality and he even says after that he would reinstate the DADT. (If I remember correctly) Maybe I should just start referring people that talk about Santorum to the google search.

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    Re: Obama: Commander in chief must support gay troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Actually it is quite easy, he does not support homosexuality and he even says after that he would reinstate the DADT. (If I remember correctly) Maybe I should just start referring people that talk about Santorum to the google search.
    I was saying its hardly a point of criticism that he did not address the hecklers in his response to the question, thats just my opinion. However its also my opinion that you can criticize him all you want if he wants to reinstate the DADT policy, especially since you can't force those out of the closet to go back in.

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    Re: Obama: Commander in chief must support gay troops

    I think we need to put a little prespective on this issue. Politicians are debating a policy not debating individuals. Obama may be coming around now because it finally has become politically expedient to do so but he has no reason to pretend that he has the moral high ground. Good for him to finally come around but he was very slow to do so. When any poltician see our troops going into harms way they are not thinking "I hope all the gays in the military die and fail their mission". They just see troops and give their support. The battle over a policy is a separate issue.

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