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    Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    I am no fan of Obama under any circumstances, or by any stretch, because I think he's been useless and the king of all liars, but I will admit that since he has decided that killing the terrorists as I have been saying all along I support killing OBL and now Anwar al-Awlaki and those with him.

    In these cases Obama is doing the right thing.
    I also have to say that I now have eliminated the first GOP candidate from any consideration and that is Ron Paul.
    I think he could not be more wrong. You don't give a poisonous snake a break you kill it.

    Al-Qaida understands death and nothing else because they are all crazy as hell.

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    MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) -- Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul is condemning the Obama administration for killing an American born al-Qaida operative without a trial.

    Paul, a Texas congressman known for libertarian views, says the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki on Yemeni soil amounts to an "assassination." Paul warned the American people not to casually accept such violence against U.S. citizens, even those with strong ties to terrorism.

    Anwar al-Awlaki was considered one of the most influential al-Qaida operatives wanted by the United States. U.S. and Yemen officials say he was killed in a U.S. air strike targeting his convoy Friday morning.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    The entire argument is semantic in nature. Assassination, killing, boom-boom, whatever you wanna call it. We killed that mofo and he had it coming, and personally I would consider him a legitimate military target and an enemy of the state.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I am no fan of Obama under any circumstances, or by any stretch, because I think he's been useless and the king of all liars, but I will admit that since he has decided that killing the terrorists as I have been saying all alone I support killing OBL and now Anwar al-Awlaki and those with him.

    In these cases Obama is foing the right thing.
    I also have to say that I now have eliminated the first GOP candidate from any consideration and that is Ron Paul.
    I think he could not be more wrong. You don't give a poisonous snake a break you kill it.

    Al-Qaida understands death and nothing else because they are all crazy as hell.
    This didnt change my mind about Paul...Ive always viewed him as a nutjob...this is just another example....hopefully this will be his last hurrah and he will go away....but then his kid is just as nuts as him and younger...

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    He is....excuse me...WAS an enemy combatant, a traitor, and a serious threat to the security of the American people. If the DOD and CIA felt an attempt at arrest was simply not feasible or was too great a risk, than snuffing him like a bug was appropriate.

    Good riddance, Insha' Allah.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Interesting rule of law here.

    Well first, his full quote in context.

    Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), who is running for the GOP presidential nomination, said that the killing is troubling. "No, I don't think that's a good way to deal with our problems," Paul said after a campaign event in New Hampshire. "Al-Awlaki was born here, he is an American citizen. He was never tried or charged for any crimes. No one knows if he killed anybody. We know he might have been associated with the underwear bomber. But if the American people accept this blindly and casually that we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys, I think it's sad."

    Paul noted the different treatment afforded the Oklahoma bomber. "What would people have said about Timothy McVeigh? We didn't assassinate him, and they were pretty certain he had done it. They went and put him through the courts, and then they executed him. To start assassinating American citizens without charges, we should think very seriously about this."
    Second the law:
    United States Code: Title 8,1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions | LII / Legal Information Institute

    THE GUY IS A US CITIZEN.
    and as SUCH he HAS TO BE TRIALED.

    (7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.
    Constitution:
    "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentmen*t or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensati*on."
    Fourth:
    You should do one of your classic "FLASHBACK" links with this on Anwar Al-Awlaki:

    EXCLUSIVE: Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11

    Anwar Al-Awlaki may be the first American on the CIA's kill or capture list, but he was also a lunch guest of military brass at the Pentagon within months of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, Fox News has learned.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20...ntagon-months/
    ACLU tweet:
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    Targeted killing of Al-Aulaqi: US citizen executed by his own government without judicial process #RIPConstitution bit.ly/rcOo8N
    "If you are somebody that believes the President of the United States has the power to order your fellow citizens murdered, assassinat*ed, killed without a shred of due process," Greenwald said, "then you are really declaring yourself to be as pure of an authoritar*ian as it gets."
    Do we have political leans for Authoritarians on this forum?

    Al-Qaida understands death and nothing else because they are all crazy as hell.
    That is an interesting conclusion. Simple question; Why? Why are they all crazy? What gives them motive to want to attack us? s it our freedom, or exceptionalism? Are they jealous of our bacon grilled cheesburgers? Well, the hard part is doing the extensive research of our history, listening to their motives, research (again), learning our rules and questioning ourselves. The easy part is just to label them crazy, ignoring our rules of law, and killing without due process.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonxe View Post
    Interesting rule of law here.

    Well first, his full quote in context.



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    That is an interesting conclusion. Simple question; Why? Why are they all crazy? What gives them motive to want to attack us? s it our freedom, or exceptionalism? Are they jealous of our bacon grilled cheesburgers? Well, the hard part is doing the extensive research of our history, listening to their motives, research (again) and questioning ourselves. The easy part is just to label them crazy, ignoring our rules of law, and killing without due process.

    Dunno, but that's what a lot of social scientists and psychologists I think are attempting to figure out.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Paul's is a valid question and it's why we need people like Paul to ask them. Jasonxe posts exactly why it's a valid question. It's not as simple as "you can't kill an American citizen" without a trial but the facts are, the government knew they were going to target him so they could have held a trial. He doesn't have to be present for a trial to be held.

    I'll grant that this isn't all black and white that there are other considerations but all the same, it certainly should give everyone pause that the government can just kill an American citizen based only on the idea that he was involved in something. If they believe he was a threat to the U.S., I would even consider the idea of a military trial as being valid.

    This is a different arguement than what would have applied to OBL. He did not have Constitutional Rights.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I am no fan of Obama under any circumstances, or by any stretch, because I think he's been useless and the king of all liars, but I will admit that since he has decided that killing the terrorists as I have been saying all along I support killing OBL and now Anwar al-Awlaki and those with him.

    In these cases Obama is doing the right thing.
    I also have to say that I now have eliminated the first GOP candidate from any consideration and that is Ron Paul.
    I think he could not be more wrong. You don't give a poisonous snake a break you kill it.

    Al-Qaida understands death and nothing else because they are all crazy as hell.
    Ron Paul made a very big mistake here. Just proves how out of touch politicians can be. Unbelievable gaff.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Paul's is a valid question and it's why we need people like Paul to ask them. Jasonxe posts exactly why it's a valid question. It's not as simple as "you can't kill an American citizen" without a trial but the facts are, the government knew they were going to target him so they could have held a trial. He doesn't have to be present for a trial to be held.

    I'll grant that this isn't all black and white that there are other considerations but all the same, it certainly should give everyone pause that the government can just kill an American citizen based only on the idea that he was involved in something. If they believe he was a threat to the U.S., I would even consider the idea of a military trial as being valid.

    This is a different arguement than what would have applied to OBL. He did not have Constitutional Rights.
    Where does it say we capture our enemy? Whimpy-whimpy-whimpy. We kill our enemies. The military's goal is not to capture.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Where does it say we capture our enemy? Whimpy-whimpy-whimpy. We kill our enemies. The military's goal is not to capture.
    As pointed out, Timothy McVeigh was every bit as much of an enemy. We would not accepted the idea of state troopers just shooting him in the head when they captured him.

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