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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    What makes these times so unprecedented that a trial could not have been held?
    Had we tried him in abstentia, it would have set a very dangerous precedent. Remember, the U.S. Constitution doesn't apply just to American citizens. You are trying to make some special exception because he is a citizen. The U.S. Constitution makes no such exception. If we try one, do we try them all??? No, I mean every one of them??? This is war not playtime at Harvard.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    What makes these times so unprecedented that a trial could not have been held?
    I think tasha quite aptly explained why...he was in yemen we couldnt send law enforcement in to arrest him or the military...hes a murderer a known terrorist just like any other. Sending in drones to take him out was appropriate even though he was an american citizen but who long ago denounced his country...

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We are not discussing Iraq and Afghanistan. We are discussing taking out a known terrorist with a drone. If these times are not unprecedented in modern history, please cite examples. I am not hostile to due process. The war on terrorism is being fought by different rules by necessity.
    The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were started due to how we perceive terrorism. If you want to think otherwise and believe that they are completely unrelated to this conversation, then so be it.

    Anyways, I find it abhorrent that the state can simply place a "hit" on a citizen. I think it is wrong that the President has the right to place assassination orders on citizens. You think otherwise and claim that you are not hostile to habeas corpus. You are filled with hypocrisy.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    That's an easy one, first you have to find him and hold him them you have to extradite him to Clubgetmo, where he will sit forever. Obama's way is to shoot first and ask questions later. Which I like, of course those on the left will hate him for it, but won't say anything. Just imagine the uproar from the left if Bush did what Obama just did.
    You don't have to capture him to put him on trial. Just covering this again so it's not brought up again.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    You are filled with hypocrisy.
    And you are filled with an idealism that is born of sleeping safely in bed at night while other people do the wet work.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You don't have to capture him to put him on trial. Just covering this again so it's not brought up again.
    So you have a trial, without a suspect in court. He's found guilty, then what, send in the drones. I like skipping the first step and going right to the drones.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    You are filled with hypocrisy.
    And you are filled with the idealism born of sleeping safely in your bed at night while others do the wet work.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    So you have a trial, without a suspect in court. He's found guilty, then what, send in the drones. I like skipping the first step and going right to the drones.
    Trial in absentia: three years

    If found guilty and sentenced to death, another 20 for the appeals.

    Ridiculous. ;-)
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Face the facts people, we are at War and Anwar al-Awlaki was an enemy combatant and therefore fair game.

    He had no rights and picked him own lot in life getting what he deserved.


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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Had we tried him in abstentia, it would have set a very dangerous precedent. Remember, the U.S. Constitution doesn't apply just to American citizens.
    While some aspects do apply to others, nobody argued that OBL should have had a trial. This is another misconception. The Constitution does not apply to non citizens the same way as it does citizens. We also try people in absentia now so it's not some vague idea.

    You are trying to make some special exception because he is a citizen. The U.S. Constitution makes no such exception. If we try one, do we try them all??? No, I mean every one of them??? This is war not playtime at Harvard.
    Wow, it's amazing how confused some people are concerning the Constitution.

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