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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Criminality is not what our rights are based on. They just are. The situation does not decide rights. You have them, period until they are taken away by due process.
    Not quite. And as I explained much earlier in the thread. You only "have" them to the extent that you can retrieve them once someone has taken them away. Clearly there are common and well tested rights that are safer then others. However, as this dirt-bag found out, he was a target first, and American second.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Look, all you had to say was that you weren't complete in your thoughts.....I do it often times. The above is correct. Paul does not believe he should have been targeted without due process. That is very different than saying he didn't think he should have been targeted.



    I've posted the links. The USSC has ruled that being labeled an enemy combatant does not strip you of your rights.
    Actually, the SCOTUS was limited in its view. They only addressed rights of the detained. This has also been explained to you many times already.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Actually, the SCOTUS was limited in its view. They only addressed rights of the detained. This has also been explained to you many times already.
    They were specific in noting that being labeled an enemy combatant does not remove your rights. I posted the links.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    They were specific in noting that being labeled an enemy combatant does not remove your rights. I posted the links.
    In a case about detainees !! Not only did they not expand upon the scope, but our own Congress had hearing on just such targeting last year. Had SCOTUS issued a relevent ruling, then the entire concept of targeting such as Dirtbag, who was targeted last year, would have been turned on its head. It was not. Only a few Paulistas have embraced the stupidity of this.

    Ron Loon Paul has now suggested Impeachment. Tell us how far that is going to go ?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, Congress has not declared War in a wide variety of ways since WWII, since WW II was the last time that Congress declared war.
    I don't agree. But you may opine as you wish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those of us who believe in small government think that the government should follow the Constitution and not usurp new powers for itself. And thus if the US wants to be at war, small government backers would say that it requires the Congress to declare war since only Congress has that ability. But you large government folk probably don't mind so much.
    The issue is not a big government versus a small government. It is a constitutionally-limited government versus tyranny by bureaucrat.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    In a case about detainees !!
    You either lose your rights by being labeled an enemy combatant or not. The courts are never going to rule that you do in this case and not in that case based upon what some lawyers decide.

    So you agree that the court has ruled that being labeled an enemy combatant in the earlier case does not remove one of their Constitutional right, before we go killing citizens should we not clear this up?

    Not only did they not expand upon the scope, but our own Congress had hearing on just such targeting last year. Had SCOTUS issued a relevent ruling, then the entire concept of targeting such as Dirtbag, who was targeted last year, would have been turned on its head. It was not. Only a few Paulistas have embraced the stupidity of this.

    Ron Loon Paul has now suggested Impeachment. Tell us how far that is going to go ?
    We do not leave our rights up to Congress. ie: McCain/Feingold.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    before we go killing citizens should we not clear this up?
    Why clear it up when it might come in handy some day

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You either lose your rights by being labeled an enemy combatant or not. The courts are never going to rule that you do in this case and not in that case based upon what some lawyers decide.

    So you agree that the court has ruled that being labeled an enemy combatant in the earlier case does not remove one of their Constitutional right, before we go killing citizens should we not clear this up?

    We do not leave our rights up to Congress. ie: McCain/Feingold.
    In WWII the Russians created military units that consisted largely of Germans who had been captured or had deserted and then agreed to fight with the Russians against their own country. Should the Germans have not fought against them?

    Others have said it before. The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Given that al-whateverhisnamewas, chose to fight with our enemies had we captured him, after waterboarding him we might have given him a trial in a military tribunal for being an unlawful combatant. But not a civilian trial. He was a war criminal, not your every day garden variety criminal.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    In WWII the Russians created military units that consisted largely of Germans who had been captured or had deserted and then agreed to fight with the Russians against their own country. Should the Germans have not fought against them?

    Others have said it before. The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Given that al-whateverhisnamewas, chose to fight with our enemies had we captured him, after waterboarding him we might have given him a trial in a military tribunal for being an unlawful combatant. But not a civilian trial. He was a war criminal, not your every day garden variety criminal.
    You do not get to decide what the Constitution is. If you believe there is a flaw you change it, you don't ignore it.

    I imagine a change to allowing the removal of rights for those who can be shown to be fighting with the enemy would pass. As I said, the courts have ruled that just by calling them an enemy does not remove their rights.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    (Reuters) - American militants like Anwar al-Awlaki are placed on a kill or capture list by a secretive panel of senior government officials, which then informs the president of its decisions, according to officials.


    **** this!!!! We can not allow some secretive panel decide who gets constitutional protections and who doesn't.

    Secret panel can put Americans on kill list' | Reuters

    There is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House's National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate.

    Total bull****. And to think, people thought Bush tampled on our rights. (not that he didn't)

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