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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Well...we COULD (and your scenario we would have to) just pull back, lock down the borders, and leave it to the other countries to deal with it. Im fine with that...so long as they dont target US interests. There is a reason why we do it...
    he didn't say anything about pulling back and locking down the borders.. that's something you made up for him.

    read his last sentence again... and keep reading it until you understand it.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you don't believe this guy being an American citizen raises legal "difficulties"?
    It doesn't. It would only raise questions if the individual were not a combatant and legitimate military objective. The interpretation being advanced by Rep. Paul, among a few others, that the U.S. cannot target military objectives who happen to be U.S. citizens is so absurd that if it were applied during the American Civil War, Union forces would have been so badly hindered that the war might have gone the other way. In the case of Mr. Awlaki, he was not a civilian under the definition of the Laws of War and did not enjoy immunity from his role as a combatant.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I should have figured you would have seized on some perceived racism and ignored the rest of the post.
    The rest of your post is the same stuff...just with brown sprinkled on it this time. Its OK...you can have your opinion...you even have the right to still be wrong. Which is why people like you cant be trusted with making decisions regarding national security and fighting terrorism.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, it's terrible to try to uphold due process of law, right? Who needs it anyway? Just gets in the way.

    Love you "conservatives".
    There is war where matters of guilt and innocence are not considered.
    There is criminality where those are of exceptional importance. When you confuse one with the other you get the wrong result. So it is here.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    It doesn't. It would only raise questions if the individual were not a combatant and legitimate military objective. The interpretation being advanced by Rep. Paul, among a few others, that the U.S. cannot target military objectives who happen to be U.S. citizens is so absurd that if it were applied during the American Civil War, Union forces would have been so badly hindered that the war might have gone the other way. In the case of Mr. Awlaki, he was not a civilian under the definition of the Laws of War and did not enjoy immunity from his role as a combatant.
    i've been doing a ton of reading on the issue over the past couple of days... and I have to say, the only people i've seen who say there are no legal "difficulties" in the targeted killing of American citizens who are also affiliated with terrorist groups.. are right here in this thread.

    the points you bring up are good ones, to be sure... but they don't negate some very murky legal basis's for this authority the presidents says he possesses....they jsut add to the murkiness...lol

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The rest of your post is the same stuff...just with brown sprinkled on it this time. Its OK...you can have your opinion...you even have the right to still be wrong. Which is why people like you cant be trusted with making decisions regarding national security and fighting terrorism.
    it's fine if you don't trust people like me with making national security decisions ( yeah, like either of us actually do so).. just as i don't trust people like you to make legal or constitutional decisions in regards to protecting our rights or keeping government "honest"... i'll look for better people to handle those duties.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i've been doing a ton of reading on the issue over the past couple of days... and I have to say, the only people i've seen who say there are no legal "difficulties" in the targeted killing of American citizens who are also affiliated with terrorist groups.. are right here in this thread.

    the points you bring up are good ones, to be sure... but they don't negate some very murky legal basis's for this authority the presidents says he possesses....they jsut add to the murkiness...lol
    I suspect that you will find the answer that you are searching for instead of the one that matters. If you look for reasons to believe that he was killed illegitimately you will find all sorts of other kooks who believe as you want to. And the converse is true as well.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    There is war where matters of guilt and innocence are not considered.
    There is criminality where those are of exceptional importance. When you confuse one with the other you get the wrong result. So it is here.
    if matters of guilt and innocence are not considered, why has the administration made the case to the public that this guy is guilty as charged and his killing is justified?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    if matters of guilt and innocence are not considered, why has the administration made the case to the public that this guy is guilty as charged and his killing is justified?
    My best guess is that they do not trust the American people to know the difference between war and criminality. The Obama administration has muddied those waters.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes.

    the "American citizen" aspect, however, cannot be taken away... it's reality whether or not you want it to be.
    Perhaps. I believe it is not relevant. He was an unlawful enemy combatant. He was on the enemy's side. He was in an enemy convoy. He was an enemy. And this is a war.

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