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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    This situation is one where something "must be done" but "normal" judicial procedures are made impotent. Perhaps new laws are needed here to deal with this precedent.
    Which would never come up if people like Paul didn't bring it up.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    odd how you take Yemeni politics into consideration, but completely disavow any argument as to US constitutional rights and law.
    I have plenty of posts in this thread where I address where the priorities of "Constitutional rights and law" fit in. You should thank God that people like me are capable of pulling the trigger while libs dither. At least one of us has the other's back.

    this is the partisan idiocy i'm talking about... this is just you jerking yourself off using your conservative ideology as lube.
    there is not one factual offering in this paragraph...not one original thought.. not one lick of brains.
    Since you put it that way, do you ever grow tired of bending over and grabbing your ankles ? You seem a bit thin-skinned, or is it fore-skinned, tonight ?

    Look, when the crap hits the fan, do us the favor, and politely just step out of the way. We will make very prudent and timely decisions while you watch. And America will thank us.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    This situation is one where something "must be done" but "normal" judicial procedures are made impotent. Perhaps new laws are needed here to deal with this precedent.
    yeah.. it's a tough situation to be sure.
    and really, all i'm asking for is a reasonable debate, and maybe some potential solutions,to these legal difficulties.

    seriously, i'd be glad to pull the trigger on an asshat like this.. as my personal opinion of him ends at "smoke the motherf*cker" each time I think of him... but admittedly, that sort of opinion does nothing to entertain what can and should be done legally and ethically.

    I'm certainly not comfortable with conferring the power , in the CinC, to being "judge, jury, and executioner" of American citizens, no matter how horrible they are as humans.... so yeah, i think there needs to be either legislative/judicial oversight of some degree, or some clarification of the laws he is supposedly using... or , yes, a new set of laws to deal with this.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Just wondering where the line is crossed. If they found this same guy in Nashville would it have been OK to send a missile into his car?
    I expect the fed law enforcement would do what it does in this country...and BTW does pretty darn good. Bush and Obama have both empowered the FBI to investigate and arrest terrorists. But we arent talking about criminal activity in Nashville. We can talk make believe and pretend scenarios all day long. Or we can talk the reality of terrorists that slaughter and plot to slaughter innocent and unarmed men women and children around the globe. Are you really concerned about a 'slippery slope'? Are you really concerned this was an execution, an assassination?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    how many of the hundred are Americans?.... that's how many i'll be concerned with.

    and to be honest, i'm not overly concerned if they are killed during actual combat on a battlefield... but i am concerned with the legal difficulties of targeted killings of Americans, terrorists or not.
    You arent concerned if foreign terrorists are targeted for 'executions'...thats acceptable. OK then.

    So...they SHOULDNT have targeted a convoy of terrorists?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    He was targeted a year ago.
    Okay, you got me there.


    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Secrecy is as problematic as is killing U.S. citizens without due process. The stories say that White House lawyers were consulted.

    We have nothing that shows that he contributed in mass killings in any form other than offering encouraging words to those who those who did. As I noted earlier, we refused to even charge those who were preaching anarchy.
    Wasn't he serving in an "advisory role" as well? This is far different. There may be additional evidence that, for purposes of secrecy, cannot be revealed at this time. We don't know all that was revealed to the White House Lawyers. Perhaps we shouldn't call them "guilty until proven innocent?"

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I guess I'm not sure what you mean by normal legal proceedings. I understand that if found guilty the only viable option here was a bomb dropped on his head.
    Normal legal proceedings would involve having the accused in custody, a police investigation is conducted, and the case is brought to trial where prosecution and defense attorneys may take all the time to prove their points. Only if the accused is found guilty would he be sentenced. Only if capital punishment is permitted can such a sentence be carried out and only after a round or more of appeals.

    In an extra-normal situation, a normal police investigation cannot be carried out - intelligence services (spys) must be employed - and a sentence of "guilty as charged" equates to capital punishment. It's not optimal, but if the accused poses a large enough threat, an abbreviated or extra-normal judicial system must be employed.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I have plenty of posts in this thread where I address where the priorities of "Constitutional rights and law" fit in. You should thank God that people like me are capable of pulling the trigger while libs dither. At least one of us has the other's back.
    why would I thank god people like you are capable of pulling the trigger... I know, from personal experience, any monkey can pull a trigger.


    Since you put it that way, do you ever grow tired of bending over and grabbing your ankles ? You seem a bit thin-skinned, or is it fore-skinned, tonight ?
    neither.. just fed up with inane partisan idiocy.

    Look, when the crap hits the fan, do us the favor, and politely just step out of the way. We will make very prudent and timely decisions while you watch. And America will thank us
    lol... having jack bauer fantasies again?
    son, I was sendin' rounds downrange at dinks while you were still wondering what your weewee is for....

    ... i've heard ( and said) this kind of macho warrior bullsh*t all my life, it doesn't' impress me... it makes me laugh.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yeah.. it's a tough situation to be sure.
    and really, all i'm asking for is a reasonable debate, and maybe some potential solutions,to these legal difficulties.

    seriously, i'd be glad to pull the trigger on an asshat like this.. as my personal opinion of him ends at "smoke the motherf*cker" each time I think of him... but admittedly, that sort of opinion does nothing to entertain what can and should be done legally and ethically.

    I'm certainly not comfortable with conferring the power , in the CinC, to being "judge, jury, and executioner" of American citizens, no matter how horrible they are as humans.... so yeah, i think there needs to be either legislative/judicial oversight of some degree, or some clarification of the laws he is supposedly using... or , yes, a new set of laws to deal with this.
    Take away the 'American Citizen' aspect and you are fine with the CiC killing terrorists.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Are you really concerned about a 'slippery slope'? Are you really concerned this was an execution, an assassination?
    I most certainly think that it's something to be concerned and wary of. There used to be methods by which this was done, writ of reprisal (a power properly belonging to Congress); but we don't and now one man can apparently order the execution of American citizens and no one will bat an eye. Who else is so evil we don't care what the government does? Child molesters? Murderers? Rapists?

    There is always concern when government becomes unconstrained.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You arent concerned if foreign terrorists are targeted for 'executions'...thats acceptable. OK then.

    So...they SHOULDNT have targeted a convoy of terrorists?
    here that "whoosh" sound?... that's the particulars of the issue flying over your head....

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