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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    is doesn't matter if he is a terrorist how happens to be an American or an American who happens to be a terrorist... this should raise some legal questions that need tending too.
    I understand you aren't concerned with the legal "difficulties"... but some folks are.
    you have no problem killing 99 terrorists responsible for slaughtering innocent men women and children...but...1...that does bother you. Yeah...that boggles the mind a bit.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Just curious. Is anyone seeing my posts?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    you have no problem killing 99 terrorists responsible for slaughtering innocent men women and children...but...1...that does bother you. Yeah...that boggles the mind a bit.
    how many of the hundred are Americans?.... that's how many i'll be concerned with.

    and to be honest, i'm not overly concerned if they are killed during actual combat on a battlefield... but i am concerned with the legal difficulties of targeted killings of Americans, terrorists or not.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This is the problem. He did have rights. One does not lose their rights simply because someone else disagree's with their choices.
    Anwar al-Awlaki gave up his rights when joined Al-Qaeda as an enemy combatant and planner of attacks on our people,
    anyone who does this deserves to die straight up.

    I consider them to be like rioters who are subject to being shot on sight.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I do not doubt that he likely did that BUT no proof of any of it has actually been provided. I've seen where he has encouraged those who despise the U.S. but that is NOT an executable or really even a chargable offense. In another thread there was a discussion concerning the guy who shot McKinley, Leon Czolgosz. It could and was argued that he was encouraged by many of the anarchist going around giving speeches. It was considered to try and charge some of them but it was realized that speech is not something we could arrest (or kill) someone over.

    If we have evidence that a citizen is doing something unlawful, we need to be presenting this evidence in a court of law, for me preferably a military one, and then proceed.

    We have covered this. We have known about his actions for a very long time.

    Al-Awlaki allegedly spoke with, trained, and preached to a number of al-Qaeda members and affiliates, including three of the 9/11 hijackers,[23] alleged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan,[24][25] and alleged "Christmas Day bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab;[26][27][28] he was also allegedly involved in planning the latter's attack.

    We can not allow the killing of American citizens based upon allegations. If you have proof, present it, get a court ruling, and then carry on.

    OBL was not an American citizen. If someone had dropped a bomb on his head it wouldn't have registered much more than a shrug.

    This does not directly apply to you but I see I never recieved my answer to the question of whether or not others would simply have been O.K. with allowing Bush to carry out what he felt was necessary.
    You have just cited plenty of evidence that this scumbag towelhead was certainly as a minister of propaganda. Maybe he did not pull the trigger or push the button that sent a round through an American, or dropped a bomb on them. For some unfathomable reason, except the liberlism is always stuck-on-stupid IMMHO, libs are looking for the literal smoking gun, and even then claim it matters whether the finger on the trigger was once "American" or not.

    OK. Joseph Goebbels. He of Nazi fame. What of him ? Not an American ever, but just a simple propaganda minister.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Just wondering where the line is crossed. If they found this same guy in Nashville would it have been OK to send a missile into his car?
    well realistically speaking, they would probably apprehend him..... but yes, this particular targeted killing doctrine allows for terrorists to be targeted and killed anywhere in the world.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You have just cited plenty of evidence that this scumbag towelhead was certainly as a minister of propaganda. Maybe he did not pull the trigger or push the button that sent a round through an American, or dropped a bomb on them. For some unfathomable reason, except the liberlism is always stuck-on-stupid IMMHO, libs are looking for the literal smoking gun, and even then claim it matters whether the finger on the trigger was once "American" or not.

    OK. Joseph Goebbels. He of Nazi fame. What of him ? Not an American ever, but just a simple propaganda minister.
    careful with the liberal comments.... me and Perry1 are not far apart on this issue, and i'm sooo not a contemporary liberal.

    just a question here.... is propaganda punishable by death?

    had Goebbels not killed his family and committed suicide, i'd wager he would have been put to death after the Nuremberg trials... it would have been , like the others, a legal travesty, but that's what would have happened.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Just wondering where the line is crossed. If they found this same guy in Nashville would it have been OK to send a missile into his car?
    That is a very stupid analogy. And which has been addressed multiple time already in thread. Al-Dirtbag was not in an area where his physical apprehension was prudent. Unless you wanted to volunteer, and get blown away trying. We also have no extradition treaties with Yemen, but do need to acknowledge that they let us operate in their airspace. From a political standpoint, for us and them, turning this puke into maggot chow is very advantageous for all.

    If anything, this thread demonstrates how one component of liberalism is to be "stuck on stupid". And to dither. I am no Obama fan, but he does get killing terrorists right. All of them.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    careful with the liberal comments.... me and Perry1 are not far apart on this issue, and i'm sooo not a contemporary liberal.

    just a question here.... is propaganda punishable by death?

    had Goebbels not killed his family and committed suicide, i'd wager he would have been put to death after the Nuremberg trials... it would have been , like the others, a legal travesty, but that's what would have happened.
    The question to ponder is was Goebbel's a viable military target. Not what would have happened had we actually caught him.

    Do not look to me if folks here, who claim to be one thing, are otherwise embracing liberal stupidity. I thank God that my common sense still keeps me from such.

    And lest I forget, there are some claimed liberals in this thread who have been spot-on. Kudos to them. They are possibly closet Conservatives, and we'll bring them around yet !

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    That is a very stupid analogy. And which has been addressed multiple time already in thread. Al-Dirtbag was not in an area where his physical apprehension was prudent. Unless you wanted to volunteer, and get blown away trying. We also have no extradition treaties with Yemen, but do need to acknowledge that they let us operate in their airspace. From a political standpoint, for us and them, turning this puke into maggot chow is very advantageous for all.

    If anything, this thread demonstrates how one component of liberalism is to be "stuck on stupid". And to dither. I am no Obama fan, but he does get killing terrorists right. All of them.
    actually, we filed extradition papers with Yemen for this guy.
    not having an extradition clause in a treaty does not mean they won't extradite.... Yemen's government has been working pretty closely with us ( a lot of back scratching going on)
    we handle their Al Queda problem ( Al Queda is trying to amass land and it's pissing off some powerful tribes) and we take care of their local rivals... and they allow us to float our predators around killings things.

    this cat here had dual citizenship.. US and Yemen... Yemen actually tried him (in absentia) before they said " bring him in dead or alive".
    as backwards as Yemen is, they got that little detail right.

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