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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The entire argument is semantic in nature. Assassination, killing, boom-boom, whatever you wanna call it. We killed that mofo and he had it coming, and personally I would consider him a legitimate military target and an enemy of the state.
    EXCLUSIVE: Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fubar View Post
    EXCLUSIVE: Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11

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    So what's your point with this article?

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    rolleyes Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So what's your point with this article?
    funny how most wanted terrorist were at one time friends of our military
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fubar View Post
    funny how most wanted terrorist were at one time friends of our military
    Oh pardon me, I made the assumption you were trying to make a point. Guess not, you just wanted to post some random article describing something that happened 10 years ago without saying why it's relevant today or to this thread.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I wasn't really calling you out on this BUT whether I agree with you or not, I do respect a consistant position. If your position is that you are going to trust the CiC to carry out what is needed, regardless of who that may be, I may disagree but I respect the position.
    Thank you. Certainly we can agree to disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I do not believe it would or that there is any way it should. It didn't take but 6 weeks to try and execute Czolgosz for the assassination of McKinley.
    True, but we cannot know in advance how long it would take. McKinley died over 100 years ago; our judicial system has changed substantially since then. Since we were "out of presidents" *ahem* after the assassination, Czolgosz did not pose an ongoing danger to the American people, and a trial could proceed at whatever pace was required. al-Awlaki was not under US custody when a trial "could have occurred" and so time (or the lack thereof) was still forcing the hand of US authorities.


    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    All of that is true which is why I said that I would be fine to have this done in a military trial. We would have all the evidence on record and in some point in the future we would be able to decide whether what was done was correct or not.
    Who's to say there wasn't? There very well could have been one, but held behind closed doors to maintain operational secrecy. And if there was one, we would not know about it for many years as it may cause a rift, already wider than the current one, between the US and Yemen. Personally, I'm guessing there wasn't one. I imagine a "law expert," possibly a judge, was brought in and the evidence presented to him. It was deemed that the US had a good enough case to warrant action, and so the US did. We'll never know the name of this expert because his safety is also important, and so that foreign US-based intelligence services cannot capture and interrogate him. And you can be certain they have no qualms about torture.


    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I do not believe we can simply accept "well this was a special circumstance". So was torture (which you do say you were fine with), but many others would argue differently.
    We may be at an impasse on this, but I will offer this:

    I've been considering my words and wondering how they could be misused. Certainly if the "special circumstance" option is offered too liberally, it could lead to abuse. It would be like placing a steak in front of a dog and expecting him not to eat it. So I would suggest the following in the case of American terrorists with a history of mass-killings and a proven willingness to continue attacks:

    - If an American terrorist is located on US soil or on the soil of provably friendly nations (e.g., "Great Britain"), the terrorist must be apprehended by non-lethal means if at all possible and brought to trial. If the terrorist is killed in the effort, it must be proven that death was the only option or the agency (or agents) will face judicial action.

    - If an American terrorist is located in a country that is hostile to the US or is NOT provably friendly (e.g., "Pakistan") where evidence must collected via intelligence services in lieu of standard police practices, the terrorist may attacked with lethal force without standard following the normal legal proceedings.

    Would that be an acceptable compromise?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    In this case, quite frankly, Ron Paul has no idea of what the Constitution requires. He is off on a tangent that is based much more on the neo-isolationist view he believes the government should be following than the actual far more robust authority the government possesses and more active foreign policy path the government implements.

    The Constitution does not require and has never required that combatants be treated as ordinary criminals. Such a requirement would dramatically undermine the U.S. capacity to wage war.

    Any cases brought against the drone strike on Mr. Awlaki won't be successful and, IMO, there is a high probability, that the U.S. Supreme Court will choose not to hear such cases. The President's decision falls squarely within his authority as Commander and Chief. There is no ambiguity. In addition, Mr. Awlaki was a legitimate military objective under the Laws of War, so even that line of legal attack is not available. In short, the President's war-related authorities were involved and the decision made was both legitimate and constitutional.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    In this case, quite frankly, Ron Paul has no idea of what the Constitution requires. He is off on a tangent that is based much more on the neo-isolationist view he believes the government should be following than the actual far more robust authority the government possesses and more active foreign policy path the government implements.

    The Constitution does not require and has never required that combatants be treated as ordinary criminals. Such a requirement would dramatically undermine the U.S. capacity to wage war.

    Any cases brought against the drone strike on Mr. Awlaki won't be successful and, IMO, there is a high probability, that the U.S. Supreme Court will choose not to hear such cases. The President's decision falls squarely within his authority as Commander and Chief. There is no ambiguity. In addition, Mr. Awlaki was a legitimate military objective under the Laws of War, so even that line of legal attack is not available. In short, the President's war-related authorities were involved and the decision made was both legitimate and constitutional.
    you don't believe this guy being an American citizen raises legal "difficulties"?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you don't believe this guy being an American citizen raises legal "difficulties"?
    Any more so than any other terrorist I am intrigued why you think it does. The guy isnt an American citizen who happens to be a terrorist, he is a terrorist who happens to have been born in America. If we kill 99 out of 100 without regard to their country of birth what is this need to NOT kill the 1?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Any more so than any other terrorist I am intrigued why you think it does. The guy isnt an American citizen who happens to be a terrorist, he is a terrorist who happens to have been born in America. If we kill 99 out of 100 without regard to their country of birth what is this need to NOT kill the 1?
    is doesn't matter if he is a terrorist how happens to be an American or an American who happens to be a terrorist... this should raise some legal questions that need tending too.
    I understand you aren't concerned with the legal "difficulties"... but some folks are.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Any more so than any other terrorist I am intrigued why you think it does. The guy isnt an American citizen who happens to be a terrorist, he is a terrorist who happens to have been born in America. If we kill 99 out of 100 without regard to their country of birth what is this need to NOT kill the 1?
    Just wondering where the line is crossed. If they found this same guy in Nashville would it have been OK to send a missile into his car?

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