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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I cannot stand dishonest people.
    you were bold enough to try to portray people as weak and such.. and now you play innocent?.. gimmeabreak, that's horsehockey.


    do you have limits to dealing with terrorists" effectively"?... does anything go as long as it's "effective"?
    To each their own. Go plant daisies and let the adults continue to deal effectively with terrorists. Or go join the other fool and love them into compliance.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    So just because an administration says they killed someone to protect the United States we just accept that?
    I did describe specific conditions under which that is IS NOT acceptable and when it IS acceptable. Like I said, al-Awlaki that effectively foiled normal judicial procedures. That alone would not justify military strikes. The added detail of al-Awlaki representing - certainly directing others to commit - mass murder attempts of American civilians, means his prosecution should be treated as an exception to normal judicial procedures.

    This guy didn't steal a candy bar and then run to Yemen to escape the law. He wasn't sitting Yemen preaching about punishing his high school arch-enemy by TP-ing his house. We should stop acting as if this situation were ordinary. It was extra-ordinary and is thus justified.

    We cannot know if al-Awlaki was planning another 9/11 and the death of another 3,000 innocents. We did know he advocated and trained others to commit mass murder of Americans. What can you say about the government who permits him the opportunity to carry out an atrocity?

    We knew about Osama Bin Laden and had the opportunity to apprehend him before 9/11. Our confused sense of justice and quixotic quest for "due process" prevented us from stopping him when we had the chance. Would you be willing to stand before the family members of 3,000 innocents killed and explain to them why "due process" for "one" self-admitted mass murderer was more important than the lives of 3,000 innocents? What about 5,000? 50,000?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    To each their own. Go plant daisies and let the adults continue to deal effectively with terrorists. Or go join the other fool and love them into compliance.
    those are my only choices?.. plant daisies or love them into compliance?

    I reject both choices, thanks anyways

    noticeably absent from your post is an answer to my question.. will an answer be coming soon?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Before launching into my diatribe, let me say one thing, I understand the emotions that people are bringing into this discussion. That said, I do not agree with these emotions. Shaykh Anwar al-Awlaki may have deserved to die, but we did not have the right to kill him as he was killed. Our government overstepped its boundries in addition to the more important issue of flouting its responsibilities. While I agree with Mr.Paul on this issue, I believe that the more pertinent crime commited was the fact that America betrayed her ideals, the rights that she extends to all of her citizens. One of these rights is that of a fair trial. Whatever al-Awlaki's crimes were, being American should guarantee him a trial. Yes, his crime was heinous, yes, maybe he did deserve death, but America has a responsibility to take the moral high ground, trite as it sounds.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Back in April 2010, the President added this guy to the CIA Kill List at their specific request. That was reported in the news. What? Oh, well. The people's right to know, I guess. The ACLU and his father filed suit on the specific grounds that it was illegal to target an American citizen.

    The U.S. District Court threw the case out, and the lawsuit's dead. The court's position was that it was not up to the courts to decide if an American citizen was an enemy combatant; it was up to the President, in this case.



    Had al-Awlaki been in the battlefield "shooting back," he would have been a legal target. The United States (and the rest of the world) has never taken the position that an enemy combatant must be in the battlefield to be targetted. He was not targetted for being a propogandist, but because he had gone operational.

    From the Director of National Intelligence last year:



    I'm quite confident that this was amply reviewed beforehand -- by the US District Court and Congressional Hearings. The check-and-balance in this instance would be impeachment, and that is not going to happen.
    I read who knows how many pages of replies going back and forth between "we did the right thing" to "we killed an American citizen, that's bad." Thanks to this reply and solely this reply, it makes me feel confident that we were well within our rights to kill the SOB.

    Obama doesn't get much right, but the killings of OBL and this cat were 2 of them. Gotta give credit where credit is due. Although it wasn't Obama that had anything to do with the actual killing, just like with OBL. Kudos for not getting in the way, basically.
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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    those are my only choices?.. plant daisies or love them into compliance?

    I reject both choices, thanks anyways

    noticeably absent from your post is an answer to my question.. will an answer be coming soon?
    I dont know...somewhere in your asshurt whine about being singled out for not getting a 'thank you for your service' I must have missed 'the question'. Hurry...Im getting bored to tears with this.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont know...somewhere in your asshurt whine about being singled out for not getting a 'thank you for your service' I must have missed 'the question'. Hurry...Im getting bored to tears with this.

    There is absolutely no reason for you to continually be uncivil with me.... i'm doing my best not to personally attack you, and i'd appreciate some reciprocity here.
    if you are unable to discuss an issue without your base emotions taking hold of your intellect, please let me know and i'll just bid you a nice day.


    in the post that you answered with your rejected choices, there is a question posed to you .. here i'll make it easy for you and simple repeat it.

    do you have limits to dealing with terrorists" effectively"?... does anything go as long as it's "effective"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    There is absolutely no reason for you to continually be uncivil with me.... i'm doing my best not to personally attack you, and i'd appreciate some reciprocity here.
    if you are unable to discuss an issue without your base emotions taking hold of your intellect, please let me know and i'll just bid you a nice day.


    in the post that you answered with your rejected choices, there is a question posed to you .. here i'll make it easy for you and simple repeat it.

    do you have limits to dealing with terrorists" effectively"?... does anything go as long as it's "effective"?
    Lets see...said terrorist was with othe terrorists. Said terrorist organization exists tonslaughter innocent men women and children. Said terrorist has been globe hopping when intel put him with others in Yemen. Military forces under order o the president eliminated said terrorists. Yep...that is acceptable and effective. No...no pretrial necessary. Anything there for you to drop a gotcha bomb on?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Lets see...said terrorist was with othe terrorists. Said terrorist organization exists tonslaughter innocent men women and children. Said terrorist has been globe hopping when intel put him with others in Yemen. Military forces under order o the president eliminated said terrorists. Yep...that is acceptable and effective. No...no pretrial necessary. Anything there for you to drop a gotcha bomb on?
    you failed to answer the question....

    don't fear a gotcha bomb, I don't play that way.

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