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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well.. this is bullsh*t.... i can't find anyplace to inject my "dead men tell no tales" schtick in this version of your position.... what the hell am i gonna do now?
    I addressed such in an earlier post. However, my original contention, which was that the Courts establish the boundaries and shapes of your rights, still stands.

    Of note too is that the last few assertions you have made in this thread have been smacked down by diligent research and well-stated posts by others. You should be appreciative of the efforts by others to enlighten you with real information, which might deter you from making-it-up-as-you-go. I don't see the love though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    how cute... I don't even get civility or a simple thank you for your service like you give other vets.... all because I don't agree with you over this issue.
    but instead, I somehow want to peacefully negotiate with terrorists ( something i've never said) and should go plant daisy's in a peace garden.. 'cuz i can't be trusted with national security.

    you continually ignore my opinion that i don't really care about this particular dude.. i've said numerous times that i welcome his demise.
    but somehow you conflate my questioning of our government's legal mechanism of dealing with terrorism with supporting this dude.

    in short, i'm just a terrorist sympathizing empty headed fool to you.....you've made your opinion clear.

    you might find my support comment comical, but i come from an Infantry background.. and if you ain't humpin' a rifle, you're support.
    don't get me wrong , there's nothing wrong with support.. been there done that too... but don't be levying idiot charges of being some sort a sissy to a grunt.


    No biggie, you won't be the first Air Force vet I don't get along with... won't be the last either.
    Ive pretty consistently NOT said thank you for your service. I do typically say welcome home or im glad you are back safe. Pardon me for ommitting th comment in response to your time in sang bang. Maybe the usual greeting was ommitted more due to your very civil opinion re AF support staff. So...let me amend...Im glad you are home safe. I know people that have worked grave detail in Afghanistan...have heard of their unique battle. They are all from different units, dont have the advantage of deploying or returning home with people with like experiences, have a hard time transitioning back and a hard time relating to others. Their mission is no less vital than the guy with hks finger on the trigger.

    You can take all the wondeful idealistic positions re terrorists you like...by all means. You want due process to make you feel all better? Great. He was an Amrican citizen that joined a terrorist organization that exists to slaughter innocent and unarmed men women and children. He was killed in a foreign land with a group og like minded assholes. Theres your proof. Guilty as charged.

    You dont fight terrorists with daisies. You drop bimbs on their wee little head or you sit back and let others handle it and feel oh so superior while they efrectively handle the problem.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    You do realize that because he was a US citizen at the time of his death, that this entire fiasco sets a legal precedent. Now the US government can label someone a terrorist, hide the evidence under the guise of “national security,” and have them assassinated, all on the President’s whim. Essentially, the President has now become judge, jury, and executioner.

    I don't hang out with people who say that Obama is equivalent to Hitler as you can't compare the two.
    As linked earlier, the House has held hearings on this exact policy. Back in 2010. And the Courts have looked at it, although a case has not made it to SCOTUS, and I don't believe there is one in the pipeline. However, all of this rebuts any notion that POTUS acts on a whim. There is both oversight and recourse, as has been posted about long and hard for those who pay attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    You do realize that because he was a US citizen at the time of his death, that this entire fiasco sets a legal precedent. Now the US government can label someone a terrorist, hide the evidence under the guise of “national security,” and have them assassinated, all on the President’s whim. Essentially, the President has now become judge, jury, and executioner.

    I don't hang out with people who say that Obama is equivalent to Hitler as you can't compare the two.
    Lets see...terrorist...bein a terrorist aling with other terrorists. We'll call that appropriately labelled and handled.

    Or not. Stand by your covictions and stand for the president to be charged as a criminal for violating some poor citizens constitutional rights and murdering/executing said ctizen.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    I feel the elimination Anwar al-Awlaki was justified. Here's why:

    The US has no extradition treaty with Yemen. I looked it up here:
    USA and Extradition Treaties

    If we had an extradition treaty with Yemen the US could ask, and expect to receive, assistance from Yemen on apprehending al-Awlaki. Or, US representatives could go to Yemen openly (as opposed to covertly) and conduct an investigation themselves. Without a treaty, the US could do neither of those things. In any event, a US hunt for a muslim leader (American or not) would be met with significant resistance, making any investigation problematic if not impossible. This prevents the US from operating on a strictly judicial level. Doing things on the "up and up" is simply not feasible.

    Timothy McVeigh received "due process" because normal procedures of investigation, apprehension, and trial could be followed without the need for treaties and without significant interference from the local population. Those comparing McVeigh to al-Awlaki are failing to consider significant geo-political differences in the two situations.

    American or not, al-Awlaki represented a constant and enduring threat to the people of the USA. al-Awlaki stationed himself in Yemen in part as protection from judicial "due process" from the United States. "He" created a situation where the US could not get to him via normal channels, thus forcing an "extra-normal" response. Had he been a jewel thief who then escaped to Yemen, he would cease being a "future threat" to US life and property. Military strikes would be inappropriate and unjustifiable in that case. But since he "does" represent an ongoing and "future threat - not only to a few Americans, but many," extra-judicial activities are definitely warranted.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    No ones getting charged with anything or impeached...the truth is most of america view alley whackey getting whacked as a positive its only the Ron Paul crew that are supporting the dumb statement by their guy kickin up a fuss...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you are correct, Air Force aren't sissies either.. known a few true badasses in the AF myself.
    but i'm not the one coming in here charging people with being sissies either...i'm just defending myself against this dude's charges.

    I hear Chaparral went the way of HAWK.. cool systems for their time, the both of them.
    Hey...sticking a daisy in a tank barrel isnt 'sissy' behavior. It isnt very effective. You adopted the sissy part all on your own. You either effectovely deal with terrorists or pretend to.

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I feel the elimination Anwar al-Awlaki was justified. Here's why:

    The US has no extradition treaty with Yemen. I looked it up here:
    USA and Extradition Treaties

    If we had an extradition treaty with Yemen the US could ask, and expect to receive, assistance from Yemen on apprehending al-Awlaki. Or, US representatives could go to Yemen openly (as opposed to covertly) and conduct an investigation themselves. Without a treaty, the US could do neither of those things. In any event, a US hunt for a muslim leader (American or not) would be met with significant resistance, making any investigation problematic if not impossible. This prevents the US from operating on a strictly judicial level. Doing things on the "up and up" is simply not feasible.

    Timothy McVeigh received "due process" because normal procedures of investigation, apprehension, and trial could be followed without the need for treaties and without significant interference from the local population. Those comparing McVeigh to al-Awlaki are failing to consider significant geo-political differences in the two situations.

    American or not, al-Awlaki represented a constant and enduring threat to the people of the USA. al-Awlaki stationed himself in Yemen in part as protection from judicial "due process" from the United States. "He" created a situation where the US could not get to him via normal channels, thus forcing an "extra-normal" response. Had he been a jewel thief who then escaped to Yemen, he would cease being a "future threat" to US life and property. Military strikes would be inappropriate and unjustifiable in that case. But since he "does" represent an ongoing and "future threat - not only to a few Americans, but many," extra-judicial activities are definitely warranted.
    So just because an administration says they killed someone to protect the United States we just accept that? Bush said he O.Ked torture to protect the United States. Should we have no simply accepted that?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I addressed such in an earlier post. However, my original contention, which was that the Courts establish the boundaries and shapes of your rights, still stands.

    Of note too is that the last few assertions you have made in this thread have been smacked down by diligent research and well-stated posts by others. You should be appreciative of the efforts by others to enlighten you with real information, which might deter you from making-it-up-as-you-go. I don't see the love though

    what assertions of mine have been "smacked down" with "diligent research"?

    diligent research?.. real information?..where?

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    Re: Ron Paul: US-born al-Qaida cleric 'assassinated'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Hey...sticking a daisy in a tank barrel isnt 'sissy' behavior. It isnt very effective. You adopted the sissy part all on your own. You either effectovely deal with terrorists or pretend to.
    I cannot stand dishonest people.
    you were bold enough to try to portray people as weak and such.. and now you play innocent?.. gimmeabreak, that's horsehockey.


    do you have limits to dealing with terrorists" effectively"?... does anything go as long as it's "effective"?

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